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Life Begins Anew: A Relationship Born of GRACE

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Lisa and I have been long time participants on GRACE – I discovered it in July, 2008 when my wife Liz was diagnosed with Stage IV lung cancer, became a member and began posting in May, 2009 and added moderator duties in January, 2010. Lisa joined in November, 2010 when her husband Mark was also diagnosed with Stage IV lung cancer. During their illnesses, we received a great deal of expert information and emotional support from the GRACE faculty and community. We would like to share our story with our GRACE family. 

Liz passed away on November 4, 2011 after battling lung cancer for three years and four months. That same evening, I posted a message to tell my friends here on GRACE the terrible news. You can find that message here. I received numerous condolences and messages of support, including one from Lisa, whose husband Mark was taken from her just two weeks later.  She shared her sad news here.

Jim & Liz

Jim & Liz


Lisa & Mark

Lisa & Mark

As those posts describe, Liz and I had enjoyed thirty years of marriage, having met in college at the age of nineteen. Together for twenty-eight years, Lisa had met Mark while also in her teens. When they passed, Liz was fifty-five years old, Mark just fifty.

Neither of us had any idea how we would face what would probably be many years without our loved ones, but we couldn’t envision ever falling in love again.

I returned to my work as a GRACE moderator, answering other members’ questions or directing them to relevant archived posts, while hiding my own grief deep inside. Lisa, on the other hand, continued to post about her struggles, seeking support from the GRACE community to find a way to deal with her own sadness.

One of her posts struck a chord with me, and I posted an uncharacteristically long response in which I shared my own feelings and my attempts to climb out of the dark hole into which I had fallen. Here is how that post concluded:

There are times when I foolishly think that I’m the only person in the world that this has ever happened to; that even though I know that plenty of people lose cherished spouses, partners, parents, siblings and friends to lung cancer, somehow my situation is different – no two people who loved each other as much as we did were ever torn apart so cruelly. But of course I don’t have to go far to see how ridiculous that thought is. All I have to do is read posts from the many GRACE members who are so utterly devoted to their loved ones, and who feel such pain at their suffering. All I have to do is read your posts when you describe your love for Mark, and his for you.

The value of that realization is that I then understand that there are people who felt just as deeply hurt as me, but who found their path to peace. I can’t rationalize away their success by telling myself that they weren’t suffering as badly as I am. It tells me that it can be done and that it has been done and it makes me determined to get to that better place. And I know that my wife was very concerned that I get to that place, so it’s not just my goal, it’s hers as well.

That is one of the reasons that I am here, and I think why you and many other GRACE members are here. We’re all on very similarly perilous voyages, learning what we can from each other about how best to navigate these very treacherous seas, not only from the medical point of view but the human as well.

I hope that very soon you can reach the comfort of calmer waters.

The full post can be seen here

Other members also posted replies, but soon the conversation was just the two of us. After a couple of days, I sent Lisa a private message offering her my phone number if she wanted to talk to someone walking the same path. 

Three days after my post Lisa called me, beginning a series of daily phone calls in which we shared everything we were feeling. Every night we would talk for hours, until the wee hours of the morning.

Despite the fact that the subject matter of our talks was tragic and we shared plenty of tears, I had never found it so easy to talk to anyone, and she felt the same about me.

With so much in common, there was an instant connection between us and within just a few days we were best friends, feeling as though we had known each other for many years. For each of us, the highlight of our day was the next phone call or email from our new friend. Within a week we had exchanged pictures and a little laughter had crept into our conversations.

 A week later I was to travel to North Carolina to spend the holidays with my sister and her family, so I bought my first cell phone so that I could continue to talk to Lisa while there. Not only did we talk and email, but now we began to text also (over 4000 the first month!)

 A few days after Christmas we began our nightly phone call, and at midnight I was the first to wish Lisa a happy birthday. After four more hours of conversation, running the gamut from tearful to joyful, I took a chance and told Lisa that I was falling in love with her. When she said she was feeling the same about me, it was as if the sun had burst through the clouds after many overcast days.

The truth was that we weren’t “falling in love”, we were already there. Somehow, there was a certainty about what was happening. In fact, we wrote the first draft of the post in which we shared our good news with our GRACE family the next day. Friends and family could see the difference in each of us, as though a veil of sadness had been lifted.

 Not that there weren’t doubts. They weren’t about each other or the way we felt, but thoughts about whether it was improper and too soon and how friends and family would react. I was sharing my doubts with my sister, while Lisa was talking to a close friend. Each of them tried to reassure us, but the doubts lingered for quite a while; they just couldn’t stop something that seemed so inevitable and so right.

 A week after our revelatory phone call, I drove from Chicago to Dayton, Ohio to meet Lisa for a few hours. Each of us knew that the love which we had found online and on the phone would be the same in person, and it was. 

With only a couple exceptions, every weekend I made the six hundred mile roundtrip drive to be with Lisa. At first I stayed in hotels, but by the beginning of February we had rented a small house. The plan was to spend weekends there, but in March Lisa and her teenage daughter moved in full time. (Lisa also has two adult children).

Lisa & Jim

Lisa & Jim

Completing a process which had begun the previous month, in early March we selected a setting and stones for a diamond ring for Lisa. A week later, we returned to pick it up. After bringing one of the jewelers to tears with our story, I dropped to a knee, pledged my never-ending love and slipped the ring onto Lisa’s right ring finger (we had agreed that her rings from Mark would remain on the left, as does my wedding ring from Liz). I didn’t need to ask her if she wanted to spend her life with me; somehow we both had known that from the beginning.

We’ve been together in Ohio full-time since June, 2012 and it’s been over two years since GRACE brought us together. Mark and Liz are always in our thoughts, and we often share both happy and tearful memories of them. We are grateful beyond words to Dr. West and the GRACE faculty and community for the help that we received during Mark’s and Liz’s illnesses, and for the wonderful new life that we have discovered.

11 Responses to Life Begins Anew: A Relationship Born of GRACE

  • Denise Brock
    dbrock says:

    Wow, Lisa and Jim. Thank you so much for sharing your story – I know many of us have been here with you from the beginning, but it is so lovely to hear your narration. I often sit back and watch the journeys of so many of the GRACE community, with the trials that these days bring, and I know that we have gained an immense amount of wisdom – not just about cancer and illness – but about ourselves and our limits and emotions.

    I think GRACE helps us to think about what it all means: the sadness, love, anger, and even happiness that is amplified through hard times. And I know we all go through the feelings of “foolishly think(ing) that I’m the only person in the world that this has ever happened to” (I did), and how could anyone ever understand – but then you see these wonderful people going through what they are going through – and you realize you are not alone. You can empathize with every cry for help in a way that perhaps others can’t.

    You are so very lucky to have found one another through this – and to have someone who understands completely what you have gone through. Liz and Mark are smiling down on you.

  • B-1 83 says:

    Way to go, you two! I’ve often thought that my wife sent my present fiencee my way.

  • catdander forum moderator
    catdander forum moderator says:

    Lisa and Jim, I don’t think there was anyone on Grace who was very surprised by your revelation on January 29, 2012 that the 2 of you had fallen for each other. However, I wasn’t able to fully celebrate with you at the time. I was so caught up in my own feelings of pending loss that I didn’t want to hear about new love. Just one of the beautiful things about Grace is that I can expect others to accept my coping processes as I accept the process of others. I accepted it and was happy for the 2 of you but not so joyful. Today, I’ve cried more than I have in a couple of years, having discontinued (ran out and not getting around to refilling) my antidepressants I’ve found I’m still a cry baby ;). I cried while reading this piece as well as rereading the threads to which you’ve linked. I’ve cried tears of joy and sadness and I fully celebrate your love for one another.

  • tanny says:

    Fantastic story! Jim and Lisa, I didn’t cry reading that but I couldn’t stop smiling. Thanks for sharing and recapping your stories. Though I’m fairly inactive on the forums these days, I’m glad to hear you both are very well. I’m so happy for the both of you.

    Have a wonderful Valentine’s Day, and life-long happiness together!

  • laya d. says:

    Just magnificently beautiful. . . Much love to you both. . .


  • bobradinsky says:

    Lisa and Jim – your story is sad, sweet, heartfelt and leaves me with a sense of optimism that as much as I still love and miss my dearly departed wife, Beth, that some day in the future it may be possible for me to love again.

    I am very happy for both of you. Bob

  • slimer says:

    Wow, I am so happy for you two. A love match forged out of love and loss. I don’t think pettiness or lingering small silly disputes will ever sneak into your marriage.

  • katief says:

    A beautiful story! Thank you for sharing. Katief

  • SoCal says:

    It’s so great that you are sharing your joy just as you shared your pain. Sometimes we forget that in the midst of our own tragedies, there is often a bit of joy and laughter and perhaps it would be a good idea to share that with others in our community. Since I have been diagnosed, my husband and I have grown even closer, and after every surgery or major treatment, we have managed to take a cruise (easy traveling for me) and enjoy other people who have their own stories. Keeps me balanced. Again, thank you for reminding me of this.

  • jwalko says:

    Jim and Lisa, I cannot believe I am reading your story – not because it isn’t incredibly beautiful, it truly is. But because I understand exactly how powerful and special and miracuously amazing your love is. For the exact same storyline is being played out just 5 hours east of where you live…

    Kim and I both lost our spouses, to cancer also, in July of 2012, only 4 days apart. For some reason, I was compelled to start a blog, something I had never done. My writing touched a chord with Kim, who had been given notice of my blog from someone in my late wife’s church (Kim and I live in the same community but had never met.) Kim read my posts for a couple of months, before she reached out to me electronically. We had so much more in common than just our grief, each of us with two children (two girls for her, two boys for me), the same exact time toghether with our spouses, we even drove the same car (Honda Civic). But the showstopper was that our spouses are buried right next to each other. Then we actually met in person at a bereavement support group for young widow/widowers. Wow…

    So we do understand how magical your relayionship is, how your spouses and a higher power are guiding you and your new relationship, how blessed you are to have found someone, probably the only one in the entire universe that could truly understand how you felt after the devastation of losing a spouse…god bless you both!

    And I am so glad you have the courage to take your story public! Kim and I still face raised eyebrows from some family members, but your story is giving us the courage to embrace our incredible love publically. It has truly been the best thing to ever happen to us both, and a great benefit to all of our children.

    Here is a link to the blog site that I started after my wife died, that led to our meeting…

    Just so so happy for you both, I know you appreciate and love each other like very few people can ever imagine! I am writing a book about the incredible arc of events that led us to where we are, it is so heartening to hear of others who are as lucky. And maybe lucky isn’t the right word, so I just have to ask – are soulmates Divinely intervened?

    May you both enjoy the incredible gift of your love…

    Joe W

  • skyesevens54 says:

    Jim I just read your wonderful story of loss, and a new found love.
    It touched me deeply.
    When my dad was dx my stepmom took it so hard. When they could no longer sleep in the same bed due to the pain that my dad was in , she made a cot beside his bed so they could fall asleep holding hands. Her deep pain has been felt by many here.
    After awhile I broached the subject tentatively of her finding love again. She looked at me with eyes wide and said “Vera he’d have to walk on water!” I told her when I saw the love that you and dad had I can’t help but feel that you are cheating your self as well as someone else to whom that love would be so beneficial.
    It wasn’t long after that , she found someone at the church where they both volunteered at a brunch for the homeless every Saturday morning. They have been happily married for 15 years now.
    I’m so happy for both of you as I was for them.
    Thankyou for your story. It teaches others that yes, you don’t love your lost one less because you found someone else; it shows how deeply your love was. Because you are extending it to someone else.


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