GRACE :: Archived Forums

This is the archived Discussion Forum for the GRACE website.  It is currently read-only, but we invite you to start or join an active discussion on our new forums, separated by subject here:  GRACE Discussion Forums
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Pages: 12   Go Down

Author Topic: mets full brain radiation  (Read 3218 times)

hayte

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 6
    • View Profile
Re: mets full brain radiation
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:37 AM »
OK, as I am having clarity today, medical/clinical questions.

I am aware that altho sometimes chemo, radiation, etc work they eventually stop.  Is this due to cell mutation?  Do the tumors become resistant to certain drugs/combos/etc.  And, is this a function of the cancer cell itself or the treatment?

The fact that the radiation I received to the pelvic lesion last year worked (or am I deluding myself), is that an indication that the adenocarcinoma was (hopefully is) susceptible to the radiation being used, or would that have created a mutation that would make it less so.

Thank you again

Linda
Logged

Dr West

  • GRACE Founder & CEO
  • Faculty
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13901
  • Medical Oncologist, Seattle, WA
    • View Profile
    • WWW
Re: mets full brain radiation
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2009, 08:09:30 PM »
   Chemo and radiation work by different principles.  Most systemic therapies, if they do work, become less effective over time, and that is generally a function of the surviving cancer cells being resistant and still being able to divide.

   Imagine that you have a very effective treatment that kills 95% of the cancer cells, so the cancer shrinks dramatically.  The 5% of remaining cancer cells are alive because cancer cells are generally chaotic, make bad copies of themselves, and create new mutations as they divide, some of which will confer resistance to a given treatment.  You can imagine this rapid division making sloppy copies and new mutations accelerates evolution within a person's body.  So only the cancer cells that are unusually "fit" survive, then divide, passing on resistance to their "daughter cells", which continue to grow and divide.  Eventually, whether you kill 20%, 50%, 90%, or 99.9% of cancer cells, if you start out with a few billion cancer cells, even having 1 in 1000 survive is enough to eventually come roaring back as a visible, growing cancer that is now resistant to a treatment that was previously impressively effective.

   Radiation doesn't always work, but we expect that it often will.  Resistance is generally related to parts of a tumor having different levels of blood supply and oxygenation, and the hypoxic (low oxygen) parts of a tumor not being as vulnerable to radiation effects.  the body doesn't tend to develop immunity to radiation the way it does to systemic therapies.  Parts of the body that have never received radiation are unaffected when a different part of the body has received radiation and will generally respond as if no radiation has ever been given. 

-Dr. West
Logged
+++++++++++++++++
H. Jack West, MD
Medical Oncologist

Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute.  This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor.

hayte

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 6
    • View Profile
Re: mets full brain radiation
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2009, 08:53:55 PM »
Thank you

I understood that.

Can these mutations be recreated in the lab setting?  Or are they individual enough along with their own dna to render this type of research unjustifiable?  As in, this would only help maybe a few rather than the many.

I really am learning alot here, I hope I am not boring you with my questions. 
Logged

Dr West

  • GRACE Founder & CEO
  • Faculty
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13901
  • Medical Oncologist, Seattle, WA
    • View Profile
    • WWW
Re: mets full brain radiation
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2009, 09:44:07 PM »
   No, not only are they spontaneous and unpredictable, the lab setting is a completely different setting than the actual environment within a patient, where blood flow, nutrition, release of hormones, etc. are unique and can't be replicated artificially.

   And no, you're not boring me.  I also suspect that these questions are of interest to many other people.

-Dr. West
Logged
+++++++++++++++++
H. Jack West, MD
Medical Oncologist

Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute.  This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor.
Pages: 12   Go Up
« previous next »