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Yesterday I described a great meeting we had with the Seattle- based marketing, advertising, and site design firm Creature, in which they outlined their vision of a streamlined site with a much improved user interface. We can all agree that there’s so much informatio here that it’s hard for people to find what they need — and we’re confident that we can improve that. But another facet of their presentation was that GRACE should focus on our unique core strengths, which are that we are perhaps the only place in the online (or brick and mortar) world that brings together:
1) qualified experts committed to helping patients understand their cancer and treatment options
2) motivated patients and caregivers who can be enabled to learn more than they ever could before about their cancer, and therefore become actively involved in their treatment like never before
3) a lot of timely content for people to access at no cost
That’s all great. By eventually developing a “wiki” of cancer information that can provide useful summaries, and by developing customized pages that feature faculty-generated content side by side with questions from members (and answers from faculty), members should be better able to find what they’re really looking for.
But the other side of the coin was that the new site would eliminate some features we currently have. Some extraneous stuff like Twitter updates could be linked to the individual faculty member (which makes sense — these aren’t very rich in educational content). But the biggest change could be the elimination of a member forum that has members comment on the questions and concerns of other members. This essentially means that GRACE would no longer feel anything like a “community” and would potentially be purely an educational resource.
Maybe that’s okay. Google is an incredibly useful tool, but it doesn’t offer a community. Perhaps GRACE should concentrate on being a very efficient, credible information resource for the cancer community and not worry about providing a sense of support and providing a sense of connection if you can get that in other settings.
That’s probably playing to our core strengths and unique features, but I’ll admit that I’m not completely comfortable with that personally. For one thing, I know I learn a lot from members, who often point the faculty in the direction of findings we may not have known about and can generate observations that may help us observe connections that we may never pick up in the clinic. And every single day GRACE members provide support and encouragement and connection, as well as insights, to other members.
The second factor is that people develop a connection with people, not a faceless entity. At our recent GRACE fundraiser here in Seattle, it was clear that the people who were motivated to come and contribute were almost entirely people who knew and wanted to support me or a few other key people who were part of the evening. This reminds me of the memorable if somewhat disturbing work done by Harry Harlow, a psychologist from the University of Wisconsin who, about 50 years ago, conducted (controversial) experiments with baby rhesus monkeys to see if they valued warm, fuzzy comfort or food more. He created a wire fake mother monkey with a bottle of milk, then next to it a cloth covered fake mother with no food, and he found that the baby monkeys spent the minimum time on the wire mother to eat, then returned to the cloth mother for comfort as much as possible.

Essentially, the question is whether we want to strive to provide only what people need to the exclusion of an enriching, supportive experience (even if that’s not a unique feature we can provide). Do people really come here for medical information only, or is any sense of community and connection to other people a real value added?
To answer this, we need to hear the views of our users. People may want to leave comments here, or people can e-mail info@cancergrace.org to provide private insights (in case you don’t want to leave a public comment of ”the medical content is valuable but I don’t care at all about other people’s issues”). We’re also working on getting the polls up and running again as an anonymous way to highlight what people really value from GRACE. In addition, we’ll be reviewing the web traffic data to try to understand more of what areas of the site people visit most (actually, someone else will probably be doing this — I’m also trying to stick to what I’m already doing and delegate the rest).
One leading alternative to the current GRACE broad forum is to have specific groups/social networks of members, such as for extensive SCLC, post-surgical patients, stage IV NSCLC with brain metastases, patients on Tarceva, EGFR mutation patients, etc. These would connect to the landing page where people find the posts and question/answer threads on the topic they were looking for. A member who was looking for info on brain metastases in advanced SCLC would find information (posts and Q&A threads) about managing brain metastases and extensive SCLC on their landing page, along with links to the relevant networks of extensive SCLC and brain metastases. People can join specific groups, and probably multiple different ones (someone may belong to the group on advanced NSCLC, brain mets, patients currently on alimta, plus others, all at the same time). This way, members could still connect with people in a meaningful way, supporting and learning from each other.
We have new blueprints for what GRACE could/should be up on the drawing board, but we’re still considering whether it should be all about the faculty-generated evidence or a peer-to-peer experience. There’s no question that patients and caregivers can help each other and teach me and the other faculty a lot. The key question is whether the community is something that people really want from GRACE or whether they could readily get this elsewhere.
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I love this sight. I am able to “search” and find the info I need without too much trouble. I appreciate the professional advise and the peppering of input from other patients. I find the advantage of this sight over other support sights, is that this sight, even with patient input, always remains “on track”. I find that other sights, members tend to veer off into topics that are irrelevant and often full of misinformation. Here all the info, even wrong info, is tempered with the level heads and professional input of the faculty. I would like to continue to get peer comments at Grace. I find that the ones I have gotten here are supportive in an intelligent and caring in a way that addresses the topics at hand without trying to sell me snake oil or convincing me I need to cut all sugar out of my diet. I am not sure why this is , except that You, Dr West, and the rest of the faculty, always answer with professionalism and evidence based information, setting the tone for the rest of us. I call this my “no nonsense” support sight. I do learn from the other sight, usefull and practical things that patients learn from one another, but this is the sight I trust to guide me on my journey. Just the way it is.
I agree with Terryl. This is a wonderful site. I value your articles, Dr. West, and those of the rest of the faculty. I also value the questions and reactions from members, and do find that we don’t go off track very often. As Terryl suggests, I suspect that the excellent “discipline” of this site’s members may stem from the professional and so-well-delivered input from the faculty. (I hate to use the word “discipline,” since it sounds harsh and uncaring, but I couldn’t think of a better word, so temper that, please!)
I like what you describe, Dr. West, as far as the different member groups are concerned; on the other hand, to me, there is something very good about seeing (and being able to make) comments to the faculty and to members right after each faculty member’s post. I fear we might lose something should that no longer be part of this site.
I’ve only been using this site for three or four months, because my husband (I’m his caregiver) was recently diagnosed with Stage IV, brain metastasized, NSCLC, so I’m not fully knowledgeable about the site. However, I do find it the case that I have trouble finding things, so the search capability would be helpful. On the other hand, I think the ability to browse is important, also, since in the beginning, upon initial diagnosis, the patient/caregiver knows almost nothing about cancer (in our case, lung cancer.)
Could we somehow still allow members to comment to the faculty and to each other regarding a post for a certain time period, and after that period is up, move those comments to the appropriate topic group? That would give us the best of all worlds, although it might be a huge amount of work for the website designers and the website administrators.
Just my two cents.
Dr. West,
The beauty of Grace, and the reason it is UNIQUE is that it provides intimate contact with a faculty of credible professionals. It inhabits a middle ground between a purely informational site and a social networking site. The quality and thoughtfulness of the posts by the non-faculty community is also evident, perhaps due to enhanced filtering of content, or simply the stripe of person attracted to Grace. I feel that the LCA site, although a convenient conduit of information and great bulletin board lacks the technical backbone that people who are serious about managing the disease so desire. Managing growth is the issue; an increasing number of posting Grace “clients” will require either an increasing volume of participating faculty or a more stringent culling of topics. My vote? Please don’t turn Grace into a rag mommy.
Best,
Roger
er .. wire mommy that is…
Would there still be a board or other area where pts or caregivers could ask specific questions of the faculty and get answers, and the other members simply would not have the ability to chime in? Or would this eliminate pt questions entirely and the GRACE faculty would choose the topics to discuss?
Way to bring back traumatic memories of Psych 101 with the wire monkey! But the analogy is a good one. GRACE IS unique in that it provides both expert-mediated discussion and responses but also allows for meaningul faculty-member and member-member exchanges. Although social networking for people interested in specific topics is great, I also think that people finding kindred spirits or similar experiences though not necessarily with the exact same diagnosis is a valuable feature of the site.
I find that the input of other GRACE members often stimulates further or better discussion in the forum posts. When a patient writes in terrified with a new diagnosis and questions for faculty, I have found that the supportive comments of GRACE members provide just as much value as the technical information I might provide. Since GRACE is giving patients and caregivers the power of information, I would envision more rather than less input from non-faculty members over time.
-Dr. Pinder
The real value of GRACE is the expert mediated resource information. There is nothing else like it that I have found on the internet. I can’t imagine the last 2 1/2 years without knowing I could come here and find useful information and get trustworthy answers to questions.
I have found community elsewhere (ok, that sounds vaguely aldulterous). I have found much comfort and support from the Lung Cancer Support Community at lungevity.org.
The resource portion of GRACE is far more valuable to me because it is more unique. If you have to choose I would support concentrating on the expert resource and direct individuals to the LCSC or other community for support.
Susan
To clarify, specifically re: Dr. Pennell’s question, there would absolutely still be member-faculty questions & answers, and other people could see them, but it’s less clear that other members who aren’t faculty would comment.
If I haven’t already betrayed my feelings, I’ll say that I do agree that jsut about every day I see a comment from a member who isn’t faculty that provides some new information to me and others, and the reassurance of not being alone through this is absolutely critical. The fact is that the faculty members can’t speak from the standpoint of having “been there” and can’t relate as someone facing the common enemy of cancer in the same way.
Looking at the schematics for the page that people would see, I think it’s a very good thing that there would be a very clear box for asking a question or making a comment to the faculty, along with a column of most relevant questions/threads. I don’t see any reason why the threads couldn’t still offer the feature of having registered members provide their own comments.
I think I’m really becoming more convinced that GRACE would really lose something if we removed the member-member interactions. I think we’ll go back to the Creature folks and suggest that we revise the plan to reflect that.
I agree that this would be a mistake (though, having met my undergraduate science requirement with a course dubbed “Physics for Poets”, I had never heard of the wire monkey thing). The Forum would be less valuable without (for instance) all of the input that Ned has offered over the last couple of years. I think the current mix works pretty well and is distinct from other sites.–Neil
The post and comments which started this line of inquiry…
http://cancergrace.org/general/2009/08/18/creature-input-on-grace/
…are pertinent to the current discussion.
I went to bed last night a bit too tired to organize a coherent response, though I did have some scraps of paper with thoughts jotted down, so imagine my delight when I awakened near 7am (midday in parts of the mainland) and found that others had already made my case for me! I was especially struck by the second paragraph of Dr. Pinder’s input. It’s something I was trying to figure out how to say, and it brought out a spontaneous “yes!” as I read it.
A stressed-out new member should not be expected to first post a question for the faculty and then decide whether to join one of the social networks to get comments from other patients and caregivers. As stated in Dr. West’s first post (link above), “the recommendation we received is to focus on the features that make GRACE unique.” True, the fact that a member can post a question and receive one or more expert medical responses within 24 hours is an amazing, invaluable, and unique feature of GRACE. But so too is the ability to receive comments not only from expert faculty, but also from knowledgeable patients and caregivers, validating and strengthening one another side-by-side in a powerful way. Both approaches may be unique, but to paraphrase Orwell’s memorable line on animal equality, I think the second is more unique than the other!
Ned
I love the GRACE site and truly appreciate the posts by experts, the experts’ answers to our unique questions, and the topic-related input from thoughtful, well-informed members here. I prefer the comfort of my cloth mother monkey. No wire monkeys — even if they serve chocolate milk. (I also recall Harlow’s work from Psych 101). I agree with Roger that GRACE inhabits the middle ground between pure information and social networking. I like that middle ground and would prefer that GRACE remain there if its resources permit. Like Terryl, I come here as my no-nonsense support site.
Thank you so much for asking and giving consideration to this topic.
I do agree the layout of GRACE needs to be tweaked for better navigation and layout/design and the consolidation of topics for better searches, but the content and features offerred here do not need to be changed, reduced or omitted. Like the saying goes, “it ain’t broke, don’t fix it :)”
GRACE offers patients, caregivers, supporters the knowledge needed to fight this disease from highly qualified medical and professional personnel which is truly unique, I do beleive the sense of community here is the key to GRACE’s continued success and growth.
Although I like a lot of the latest bells and whistles of technology I am not a big fan of Twitter (truth be told I think its a waste of time) but I do understand that it may be incorporated with GRACE at certain junctures.
I think Wiki is more valuable than Twitter for GRACE’s needs
Either way, I hope neither Twitter or Wiki overshadows what is currently offered here on GRACE. The lung cancer patient and community as a whole has so few valuable resources I hope that GRACE maintains its position and sets the standard for other sites that may come along in the future for similiar needs and most important, maintain the contents and sense of community GRACE has become known for.
( my humble opionion …off my soap box
What makes Grace distinct is the combination of peer to peer experience and faculty generated content. There are lots of content sites and there are lots of social network sites. Its the blend of the two that is so powerful.
The medical content is extremely valuable and is the sole reason I come to this site. I think non-medical assistance should come from more traditional sources such as counseling and organized groups offered by cancer centers.
Thank you to everyone who has responded, and I continue to welcome more opinions from anyone who can provide them. We will be meeting with the Creature team again in just a couple of days to revisit these issues. Your views will absolutely be shaping how we move forward.
Please don’t change the format.Nowhere else can you get cutting edge interpretation of the information in context, the opportunity to get speedy and authoritative responses on the disease from experts, the opportunity to get the same from well-informed patients and caregivers with experience.
The concept is odd, but it is invaluable, original and has great potential.Why do the advisors suggest change, are they perhaps unable to see a ‘market’ being targeted?
I am all for improvements but really, change too much about this site and you lose the feel and touch that makes GRACE what it is. I don’t feel there are enough off subject deviations or member inputs that they are intrusive. Most are generally very helpful. Please don’t change TOO much just because you can. Some user-bility improvements regards navigation is all that’s needed. Jim.
Dr. West,
I agree in general with all of the comments thus far, but want to strongly endorse the thread of Roger Racer’s comment comparing GRACE to the LCA site - professional/educational vs. anecdotal/supportive. Both are important, but don’t have to be on the same site, particularly if it would take away from the unique and extremely valuable professional level of GRACE.
Hig
We’re going to have a follow up meeting with the folks from Creature. In the end, I’m pretty confident that the content and means of communications will pretty much remain as it is, except that the content from the posting side and the forum side should be matched up on one landing page so that people who are looking for information about a particular topic (such as post-operative treatment for early stage NSCLC or first line treatment for SCLC) will find it all in one place — this should be far easier to navigate. We’re going to try to develop a document that provides a current summary of many of these topics, which should be available for people to link to from the landing page with the post and forum results. And we may well have new social networks dedicated to these particular issues added on, so that there is a group for people with EGFR mutations, or relapsed SCLC, or brain metastases, etc.
But I think we’ve received a clear message that a majority of people favor the member to member communications in the forum. We’re going to plan to keep that, and if you don’t want that, you don’t need to read them. Personally, I know I’ve learned from the insights of members who aren’t official faculty, and I’ve also seen some very constructive support come from other members directly to other members. The faculty may know the medical side of cancer, but other members have managed side effects and have been coping with cancer on a very personal level.
Overall, expect that our over-arching goal is primarily to make our information much more easily accessible, especially for new visitors, and that we’re more likely to add than subtract from the site. However, with additions like easily findable summaries of the various treatment settings, we should be able to add in an organized way that won’t feel like clutter.
-Dr. West
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