Several members have raised questions in the last several weeks around the question of whether antacids like garden variety Rolaids or Tums, a class of drugs called histamine H2 blockers like zantac and tagamet, and also proton pump inhibitors (PPIs) like prilosec (the “magic purple pill”), protonix, nexium, etc. that effectively shut down stomach acid may actually be problematic if taken in combination with Iressa or Tarceva (I’m going to focus primarily on Tarceva here, since that’s the drug marketed in the US right now). This issue isn’t one that has been highlighted in the general research and teaching about these oral agents. We do know that absorption is variable, but the reason it is recommended that they be taken on an empty stomach is that it’s more predictable in that setting. Taking these agents with food tends to increase absorption, but unpredictably, so the best way to have a good idea of what’s going into the body is to take the recommended amount (or a dose reduction, as needed) on an empty stomach.
It’s certainly understandable that the absorption from the stomach and gastrointestinal tract be moderated in part by stomach acid or lack thereof, since it’s the job of stomach acid to help digest food (it’s not just to cause heartburn), but there has never been any instruction on having antacids and/or PPIs be considered contra-indicated medicines (advised to not be taken at the same time). In fact, the Iressa package insert does mention that zantac and sodium bocarbonate (antacids), given to keep the pH above 5 (outside of the highly acidic range, which is the low numbers like 1-2), reduce Iressa absorption by 44% in one of the studies by the manufacturer (AstraZeneca). Member NeilB was kind enough to e-mail me this link to a chart in a summary article about the EGFR inhibitors, which notes some of the key drug interactions observed with EGFR tyrosine kinase inhibitors like Iressa and Tarceva. Another official document summarizing extensive pharmacologic information on Tarceva tablets (here) also documents that tarceva absorption appears to be diminished in the absence of an acidic stomach environment and suggests that “caution should be exercised when these medicinal products are prescribed with erlotinib” (Tarceva) (page 19 of this pdf document).
Unfortunately, while I can’t exactly call this a state secret, this potentially important issue hasn’t been highlighted at all. Part of the issue is that nobody has produced any evidence yet that it’s associated with worse outcomes. The big trials with Iressa and Tarceva didn’t restrict drugs for gastro-esophageal reflux disease (GERD, a fancy diagnostic term for heartburn), so the survival benefits of tarceva in the Br.21 trial, for example (abstract here, in case you missed it the first 25 times it’s appeared in a post) were shown in a general population regardless of whether people took zantac or prilosec or whatever. Ideally, this would give us the opportunity to look back at the patient files, see who was taking drugs that inhibit stomach acid production, and see if those patients had a lower response rate and less of a survival benefit compared with a placebo than the patients who weren’t on these — these trials routinely monitor the medications participants are on during treatment.
So I asked a former colleague from medical training who now works at Genentech (which co-markets Tarceva with OSI Pharmaceuticals, who actually developed the drug and ran the BR.21 Study with the National Cancer Institute of Canada) about what they know about Tarceva and stomach acid. She was kind enough to get back to me to report that following the approval of Tarceva in the European Union, there has been a formal request to do a “post-marketing study” by Roche, which markets Tarceva outside of the US (Genentech in the US only), to assess the interaction between antacids, H2 blockers, or PPIs and Tarceva. “The final study is being completed as we speak”, she tells me, and it will be included in the next version of official Tarceva documentation to regulatory bodies like the FDA, at which point it should become publically available. She also informed me that, unfortunately, they couldn’t uncover enough good data on these drugs in BR.21 to learn anything conclusive.
It’s clear that this information would be helpful for everyone. Any patient would want to know if their over-the-counter or prescription medication for heartburn is reducing the potential effectiveness of their cancer medication. As doctors, we’d want to provide good advice to give our patients the best chance to benefit from these treatments. And the companies selling EGFR inhibitors would definitely want to not shortchange their potentially favorable results by under-dosing some patients because they were taking medications that reduced the uptake of tarceva or iressa. Perhaps we could improve the response rate by 5 or 10%, and improve the survival benefit by a few weeks on average, by optimizing the right amount getting into the bloodstream. There are lots of variables here — we use the same dose for a frail, thin 80 year old never-smoking woman and a 275 pound, 52 year old chain-smoking man. I can only hope that we can improve our results by refining our use of these tools as we learn more about these other potentially important variables like absorption and metabolism rates (recall my prior post on current smokers and tarceva).
Before people ask, let me say that I really don’t know whether there would be any value in re-trying tarceva in someone who progressed on it while taking zantac or nexium, and I don’t think anyone knows that right now. To me, it’s not a tempting prospect in someone who progressed quickly after their first couple of months on it, but it would be quite tempting to restart in someone who responded for 6 months, then started a PPI, and had slow progression of their disease after that. And I suspect there are a lot of patients in between.
I hope to report more information soon. In the meantime, thanks to everyone who raised this issue, because it’s been relayed to the companies as a high priority to disseminate this kind of information in teaching for doctors offices and directly to patients.
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Thank you, Dr. West!!!
In general, how long does it take the Tarceva pill to enter the bloodstream? We’re going to make sure my Dad waits at least 2hours after taking Tarceva before taking PPI’s.
I’m sure that Dr. West will respond in due time, but the issue with the PPIs is more complicated. If they work properly, they reduce stomach acid on a long-term basis. Therefore, the time of day that you take them shouldn’t make much difference with regard to the pH of the stomach contents. Thus, if they really do reduce the absorbtion of Tarceva, changing the timing wouldn’t help.
As I understand it, the only time that timing might come into play would be if were taking antacids likes Tums, etc. that work on a short-term basis.
Yirol,
I started to type my response as I read what Neil had responded, and he’s absolutely right. The PPIs have a durable effect of diminishing release of stomach acid, so the issue is whether there is a real need to avoid them in general while on Tarceva. While we don’t have a firm answer in terms of evidence from trials with patients on or off of PPIs while taking tarceva, nor in terms of any official word from Genentech or OSI Pharmaceuticals, at this point I would recommend that patients on Tarceva avoid PPIs if possible in order to maximize the opportunity to do well. It may not turn out to be a significant factor, but I’m sure everyone wants to improve their chances and get all of the intended dose of anticancer drug in, with Tarceva just like other drugs.
And as Neil said, shorter acting drugs like an over the counter antacid (Tums, rolaids, etc.) should be able to be taken a couple of hours after taking Tarceva, since they shouldn’t have a lasting effect on stomach acid. The recommendation in terms of what is considered taking the drug on an empty stomach is one hour before or two hours after Tarceva, so I would consider two hours to be a safe window for absorption.
I realize that’s basically just reiterating what Neil said, but consider this a corroborating message.
-Dr. West
Thanks Dr. West, Neil.
I can’t believe this hasn’t been looked at more systematically, esp. given the prior experience with Iressa. Dad’s oncologist looks at us like we’re nuts to even be raising the issue. Not comfortable. We’re now thinking acupuncture as a way to help reduce GERD symptoms. Sad that this line brings us more comfort than the expert’s eyerolling. Please keep us informed, Dr. West. Oncology is not the friendliest world to be it. - Yirol
I agree this is a very important issue to have so little information about. But oncologists have had very little reason to recommend against PPIs. While there may be some info with Iressa, none of this work has been publicized. While there is a passing note of caution in the exhaustive, long document of product information, so having a sentence buried there isn’t much help.
I promise to keep visitors as up to date as possible, and I’ll be keeping in close communication with the companies working on tarceva in lung cancer.
-Dr. West
Hi Dr. West, If relevant, any info. about the correlation between the development of Tarceva rash and diarreha, PPI’s and response rates would be good. (i.e., In the group of people taking PPI’s, how many got the rash/diarreha, how many were responders to Tarceva?)
Will watch for updates. Thanks! Yirol
No information on this issue available at all right now. We don’t have any individual patient data on rash development (or diarrhea) and outcomes. All we know is that as a general population, the folks who developed a rash have a better survival than those who didn’t, and several studies suggest a general correlation with severity of rash. But I’ve never seen any data on individual patients, and at this point, we’re only getting the first hints that there MAY be relevant issues around PPIs in people on tarceva. The data suggest that absorption of tarceva is likely to be lower in folks on PPIs, but we haven’t yet seen any clinical results that show worse outcomes in people on both PPIs and tarceva vs. not on PPIs during tarceva (we haven’t seen any results that show equivalent results either — we just don’t have any answers either way).
-Dr. West
I keep reading that people that develop a rash with Tarceva means it’s working. Is this true? My mom has been on Tarceva for a week and I don’t see any rash on her face - Please advise.
That’s an oversimplification. There is a correlation between the rash and better outcomes, specifically a higher response rate and longer survival, and this tends to be related to the degree of skin toxicity, so that those with the more robust rash do best as a population. But I’d underscore that that’s “as a population”. On an individual basis, I’ve had patients who have done very, very well with little or no rash, and some of the patients who have had a horrific rash had clear progression of their cancer. I don’t use rash to make treatment decisions except to lower the dose of tarceva, as needed, but I don’t abandon the drug based on absence of rash, nor has their been any evidence yet that increasing dose to try to achieve a rash is a fruitful approach.
If patients are tolerating it, I have them continue tarceva until we repeat a scan, usually after about two months, and then decide whether to continue it or not.
Please note that there are a number of my prior posts just on the topic of EGFR inhibitor-induced rashes, and one on the association of rash and outcome:
http://onctalk.com/2006/11/25/is-rash-a-good-thing-with-egfr-inhibitors/
I hope that helps.
-Dr. West
[…] As I described in a prior post back in May, there have been some lingering questions about whether these drugs limit the stomach’s ability to absorb oral edpidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) tyrosine kinase inhibitors (TKIs) like iressa and tarceva. Most of the evidence on this potential interaction is with Iressa, which really isn’t commonly used any more in the US, but Iressa and tarceva are similar in so many ways that there would be reason to suspect that the same issue may exist for the commonly used tarceva. […]
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