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Dr. West

  Rashes from EGFR inhibitors: we like to see them, because we know that many trials have shown that skin toxicity on drugs like tarceva is associated with better survival (see prior post), but the fact is that sometimes a rash is more than an inconvenience and can really make people miserable, or at least pretty unhappy, as described in the comments and questions from a discussion forum thread today.  I’ve described some general management principles for rash in another prior post, but in truth, oncologists aren’t well trained in rash management, and we’ve generally had to learn as we go along, because EGFR inhibitors have introduced this as a new problem in oncology.  Tarceva is a well established treatment at this point for lung cancer, and while the monoclonal antibody Erbitux has been used primarily in colon cancer and head and neck cancer thus far, a major lung cancer trial with erbitux was also recently reported as positive (post here), so there’s a strong possibility that erbitux, which is also associated with very significant rashes (and better survival correlated with that), will also be used increasingly for lung cancer.

   But there may be more to managing these rashes than the basics I described in prior posts.  One of the leading experts is Dr. Mario Lacouture, a dermatologist from Northwestern Univ., who has published some proposed guidelines that are an alternative to some of the other approaches I had previously described (paper here, with a rather complex algorithm figure included).  This work focuses on early and aggressive use of minocycline (synthetic tetracycline) and elidel cream, a treatment developed and approved for eczema.  In truth, I haven’t used this yet, but I’ve heard from some people who have that Elidel and this general approach can be very helpful.

   Dr. Lacouture is included in a panel on a CME program that is available on the web, “The Conundrum of Rash in Management of EGFR Inhibitors“, which includes a detailed and somewhat complex medical presentation (the target audience is doctors) but that also includes several accessible take-home points.  It’s available through that website as a 70+ minute streaming video program, or a podcast or MP3 audio file, or you just download the transcript.  One thing that the program highlights, in addition to the point that “oncologists are bad dermatologists” (sad but true), is that there is also the ongoing question of whether and when to temporarily hold the EGFR inhibitor therapy and then drop to a lower level.  In general, while we’d try to manage people on the highest dose feasible, these are treatments that have the potentially to be chronically helpful.  Because of that, I do see it as a question of what is the lowest dose needed to get the desired effect.  if someone is having trouble managing on 150 mg and has been stable for many months, I think it’s appropriate to test whether they might feel FAR better on 100 mg and have just as stable disease, or an ongoing response.  While we’ve seen that patients who develop a severe rash can do particularly well, there’s no evidence I’m aware of that people who lowered the dose subsequently (and felt better) did any worse than those who continued to suffer at the highest dose they could tolerate with difficulty. 

   Overall, it’s good to see that we’re starting to see more dedicated study of these EGFR-based rashes, and to get more actual results from these experiences.  I think we’ll need to continue to balance between aggressively managing side effects and to learn whether we need to dose to the borders of tolerability or whether reducing dose to a more comfortable chronic solution is appropriate. 

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  1. December 7, 2007 - 11:01 am

    Dr. West:

    The cmediscovery.com link you provided appears to be an EXCELLENT resource, much more useful than anything else I’ve seen so far. Though I haven’t had time to view or listen to the entire program, according to the introduction there is material on nail/fingertip problems, my biggest limitation and concern at the moment (though I have regained some proficiency in 2-finger hunt-and-peck typing). Also, it’s nice to see that the streaming video works very well on my Windows 2000 machine — no iTunes needed!

    I’m heading downtown for a CT/PET scan this morning (now 2 months on Tarceva), so we should have plenty to discuss at my oncology appointment Tuesday. Thanks for staying up late to do this post!

    Aloha,

    Ned

    recce101
  2. December 7, 2007 - 4:03 pm

    Dr. West,

    I have been on Tarceva since July 2006, I started with 150mg and lasted for 8 months before I had to take a break for 25 days due to the extreme rash and then cut back to 100mg and then about 6 months later I found I needed another break because of the rash, it almost looked like I had a chemical burn on my stomach and I was going crazy with the itching on my arms an legs and back, this break was at least for 3 weeks, but I know my itching had not stopped, but I was concerned about not taking the Tarceva so I decided to go back on the medication. I then decided to take a break because I was having trouble with diarrhea and itching and I probably would have waited it out but I was going on a cruise and didn’t want to worry about finding the nearest bathroom everywhere I went so that was about a 10 day break 2 months later. What I have learned from the breaks is that it is hard to get back to where I was my skin goes through cycles and I have to go through all of them it seems like and then it kind of settles down and becomes a little bit tolerable so now I decided not to take anymore breaks. I did watch the CME program and found it very interesting I already use the Elidel and Minocycline but I have a new problem I that I seeing a Podiatrist for on Friday I thought it was an ingrown toenail, but after seeing that program I am not so sure it looks a lot like her nails, my nail doesn’t actually seem to be ingrown anymore but I still do not have any relief it is still infected after more than a month so I thought it was time for a doctor to see it. I have trouble with my hands, the skin is cracking and splitting and my nails never seem to grow anymore without breaking. Anyway I am glad I had a chance to view the program I thought it was very interesting. I wish more dermatologist would take the time to learn about the effects of the cancer drugs instead of telling me well that’s the effects of your medication… I knew that when I came in to see him - I was hoping he would shed a little light on something that might ease the symptoms all he said was as long as I took Tarceva I was going to have those problems. I’m glad I don’t pay to see him - I go to a military hospital, from what I understand we have a new Dermatologist so I may give her a try and see if she cares a little more.

    Pamee

    Pamee
  3. December 7, 2007 - 6:20 pm

    My wife had to reduce her dose to 100 mg and take doxycycline due to extreme side effects. She had a great response per Pet scan. She developed red inflamed toes(all of them) which she just put up with. She had abnormal nail growth which caused ingrown big toe nails. The interesting part is that the podiatrist put her on augmentin prior to surgery on her big toes and this caused all the redness and inflammation in her toes to go away. Hopefully this doesn’t mean that somehow the augmentin was stopping Tarceva from being effective against the cancer. Overall at the reduced dosage with the antibiotics her side effects have been quite bearable. Her worst problem is off and on severe arthritic like pain in her knees and hips. She is 50 and had no joint pain previously. She also has to cut her eyelashes as they are growing long and curling in to hit her eyes.

    hubbie
  4. December 7, 2007 - 11:00 pm

    I agree that the CME program, although not made for patients and families, shows a good range of skin/hair changes that tarceva can induce, and I was impressed with how much the two dermatologists know. Dr. Lacouture is really starting to break the impasse and get the word out to help educate more people, but these are complex new changes, and that educational process is only going to happen gradually.

    It’s nice to have these archived educational programs accessible on demand to everyone.

    -Dr. West

    Dr. West
  5. December 8, 2007 - 8:21 pm

    In the portion of the CME program on nail problems, specifically inflammation of the folds of tissue surrounding the nails (perionychia), Dr. Lacouture said, “One particularly useful item is a tape that is impregnated with steroids. This provides protection against trauma while delivering high-potency steroids.” He mentions Cordran tape in the video and audio, though brand names were generally omitted from the transcript.

    Does anyone have experience with or opinions about this product?

    Aloha,

    Ned

    recce101
  6. December 9, 2007 - 7:24 am

    I’ve never heard of it being used. I think Dr. Lacouture is way ahead of the field, and I’d be inclined to recommend/prescribe it for my patients with nail problems in the future. Like you, I’d welcome any input from anyone who has direct experience with this product or other approaches that have worked. I’ve heard of liquid Band-Aid (essentially super-glue) also being used for cracks in the skin at the fingertips, but actually preventing new open lesions and treating the ones that are there, such as with steroid impregnated tape, sounds preferable to me.

    -Dr. West

    Dr. West
  7. December 12, 2007 - 11:28 am

    At my appointment yesterday I showed my oncologist the CME transcript with Dr. Lacouture’s comment on the Cordran Tape. He agreed it was worth a try and called in a prescription for me. Last night I applied the tape to my four most troublesome fingertips — it seems to be helping already, but that could be just an overabundance of positive expectations, so I’ll report back with something more objective in a few days. Aloha,

    Ned

    recce101
  8. December 13, 2007 - 11:02 pm

    I am having problems with my big toe, I thought it was an ingrown toe nail until I watch this CME now I am inclined to believe that it is related to the Tarceva. Does anyone else have problems with this and what do you do?

    Pamee

    Pamee
  9. December 14, 2007 - 9:20 pm

    Other people have had this problem — it’s not uncommon with tarceva.. People may be able to share their experience with things like the steroid-impregnated tape, topical antibiotics, or holding the dose and potentially lowering it.

    -Dr. West

    Dr. West
  10. December 15, 2007 - 12:13 am

    Two thumbs (and a few other digits) up for the Cordran tape! I started applying it three days ago, changing it every 12 hours as directed, and after just one day there was noticeable improvement, far better than the results I had obtained in a month with Mupirocin ointment plus band-aids and/or finger cots. Now, after three days, the bright red inflammation around the nails has disappeared and there are just a couple of slightly sore spots remaining, so I’ll apply the tape on those for a couple more days.

    The tape is easy to handle — it comes in a 3″ wide roll and can be cut to the desired shape and size with the backing paper still attached. It adheres well to dry skin, does not loosen if it gets a little wet, and does not irritate the skin as it’s being removed.

    Although few of us in the cancer world seem to be familiar with it (I got zero response when I posted a query at LCA and LCSC), it’s not a complete secret. A neighbor in our cul-de-sac (not a cancer patient) walked down to the house this afternoon to chat with my wife. She saw me in the garage and asked how I was doing, saw my hands and said “Cordran tape! That’s a great product!” Seems she’s been having an ongoing skin problem that wouldn’t respond to anything until she was given a Cordran prescription.

    Aloha,

    Ned

    recce101
  11. December 23, 2007 - 10:10 am

    I think I will ask for the Cordran tape for my fingers, I ended up having my toe nail removed and I tried the liquid band-aid, but found it was more irritating than the splits on my fingers - I think I may be allergic to it as I turned red and itchy.

    Pamee

    Pamee
  12. December 23, 2007 - 1:52 pm

    I’ve already made calls about it and definitely going to try Cordran in some of my patients facing these issues. I’ll post on our experiences and encourage others to do the same, whether with Cordran or another intervention that works.
    -Dr. West

    Dr. West
  13. December 24, 2007 - 7:51 pm

    I’ve been using the Cordran tape for 2 weeks now, so I’ll give a quick update before Santa comes over the hill:

    Though I find it clearly better than anything else I’ve tried so far — Neosporin or Mupirocin or tea tree oil with band-aids and/or finger cots — it still hasn’t returned the fingertips and nail margins back to normal. It does reduce the soreness more than the other products, and that’s quite helpful, but they stay very fragile and easily damaged. I suppose the toxic effects of the Tarceva and the beneficial effects of the Cordran are pretty much at a standoff. I tried to take a break from the Cordran recently just to see what would happen, and the fingers got worse rapidly, but things returned to standoff status a day after I put the tape back on.

    A complicating factor for me, and probably for some others, is that my healing processes are severely compromised from a full year on Avastin then an immediate jump to 150mg Tarceva. I’m hesitant to ask about a lower dose because my other side effects are now very tolerable, and my response to the first 2 months of Tarceva was not especially spectacular — stable tumor, some reduction in the loculated pleural effusion. Looking forward to hearing others’ experiences with the tape.

    Aloha,

    Ned

    recce101
  14. January 26, 2008 - 4:19 pm

    One more update on the Cordran tape and fingertip issue, then I’ll put it into the “mostly resolved at least for now” category.

    This week I saw my dermatologist for a follow-up visit, the first time I’d seen him since starting with the tape (my oncologist had called in that prescription, but the two have discussed my case on the phone). I told him the tape was much more helpful than anything else I’d tried, although the fingertips and nail margins remained very sensitive and easily injured. He said the tape does a good job on inflammation, but it also makes the skin thinner and less able to retain moisture, and he recommends that it be used for a maximum of two consecutive weeks and then set aside for at least a week. To protect the skin after the tape is off, he suggested Gloves In A Bottle, an OTC “shielding lotion” which bonds with the outer layer of skin to help protect the deeper layers from irritants and prevent their natural oils and moisture from escaping. It does not wash off, but comes off naturally with the exfoliated outer layer cells and needs to be reapplied every 4 hours for best protection. One drop is enough to coat all of my fingers, and it does help — a lot. I’m inclined to think the fingertip problem might have been largely prevented if I’d been using this product all along.

    Aloha,

    Ned

    recce101
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