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Local Therapy for Metastatic Disease: Why Might We Break the Rules?

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One of the most common questions. we receive is why people are told that surgery isn’t an appropriate option for metastatic disease. If you can see the areas where there is active cancer, why can’t you just take it out?

The problem is that it’s very rare for a metastatic cancer to be limited to the areas that we can see. If a cancer spread from the lung to the liver, adrenal gland, brain, bones, or the other lung, it got there by having microscopic cancer cells (micrometastases) travel through the bloodstream to get there. Because this almost always means that there are many other micrometastases in the bloodstream, we’re fighting not just the cancer we can see, but the potential future areas of cancer we can’t see because they’re in the bloodstream, with the ability to settle in new places and grow into new lesions. So the general treatment strategy is systemic (whole body) treatment that travels through the bloodstream to reach cancer cells that may be distributed throughout the body.

In contrast, surgery or radiation are strategies for treating a single area of disease very effectively. If you’re confident that the disease is limited to one focus or general area, either is more reliable than chemo at eradicating disease in a focal area. Surgery tends to have more morbidity, though it’s the most definitive way to treat localized disease. Radiation can still do a good job at treating the local area, and it’s often well tolerated enough that it’s commonly integrated into treating metastatic disease under certain circumstances.

The most common settings in which local treatment is recommended are things like brain metastases, hemoptysis (coughing up blood), painful bone lesions, or compression of an airway. Though surgery is sometimes used for 1-2 isolated brain lesions, these days more and more of these localized/local problems are treated with radiation, because of its admirable combination of efficacy and good tolerability.

What these situations share is a common theme of the local problem being a more pressing issue (literally or figuratively) than the systemic disease. Brain lesions can cause local swelling and neurologic symptoms, and you can get in big trouble in a short time if brain lesions aren’t controlled, because there isn’t extra real estate for swelling inside the skull. Similarly, compression of an airway is a major problem even if it’s concentrated in a limited area.

In most cases of metastatic disease, the problem isn’t so much one spot causing a crisis. If someone has two liver metastases and another in an adrenal gland, you can take them out, but it’s likely that someone will be set back or even quite debilitated by the surgery, only to have a few new metastases appear before a person has recovered enough to consider chemo or get back to enjoying their life. That’s because for most metastatic cancers, the threat is more of a global/whole body threat than a specific focus. Systemic therapies are the ideal treatment for a whole body threat — they cast the widest net.

We’ve already covered the concept of the precocious metastasis, which is a person with a single metastasis, most typically to the brain or adrenal gland, when the rest of the cancer appears to be earlier stage, and which can be associated with very long survival that is debatably even cured. The real debate about this is whether the people who do well for years after surgery for a solitary brain metastasis do well because of the surgery or because they had a rare version of lung cancer that presented with a solitary metastasis, which predicts that even if it progresses, it might do it in a very indolent way. In other words, perhaps these people would do as well no matter what they do.

A variant on this theme is that sometimes a person will have multiple areas of cancer visible, but only a single area is progressing at a rate that is clinically meaningful. I’ve most typically seen this in a person with adenocarcinoma/bronchioloalveolar carcinoma (BAC), in which they have a bunch of background nodules that appear to be barely changing over a series of scans, while one area is more solid appearing and is growing more significantly. Or sometimes it’s a person who is referred to a surgeon for a growing nodule but who also has one or a few really tiny nodules in the background that are just too small to characterize — perhaps they can’t be biopsied because they’re only 2-3 mm. Sometimes you’ll have done a few scans on a person and see that one lesion that has now been biopsy-proven to be an adenocarcinoma, while the other background nodules make you concerned, but they aren’t changing between the scans you’ve gotten.

These are situations in which I think it’s very appropriate to pursue local treatment. If it’s someone being referred to a surgeon for one growing biopsy-proven cancer and a couple of tiny, ambiguous nodules, I might favor repeating a scan at least 6 weeks from the first one to see that these aren’t all going to be growing before someone’s recovered from surgery. But if someone’s seeing a surgeon for a nodule that grew after 3-6 months of follow-up scans, while everything else is stable, I’m all for doing the surgery and taking our chances with the ambiguous nodules in the background.

Sometimes it’s in the setting of known metastatic disease, but the principle is basically that you have a local issue outpacing the background. If I have a patient in whom I’m seeing that one area is growing far faster than everything else, I might occasionally refer a person for local treatment and taking chances with the background. If you follow baseball, this is essentially the concept of getting out the lead runner. This concept is certainly more appealing for people with the most isolated lesions growing while everything else has been followed for long enough to be confident that there isn’t going to be widespread progression on the next scan. So it’s not something I try to rush into if someone has one favorable scan with a residual visible lesion after many were present 6 weeks earlier. I’d like to have some confidence about the trajectory of a person’s disease first.

Importantly, this isn’t a standard treatment approach that is recommended in any textbook, but rather is an approach that I consider a reasonable option in very individualized cases, based on a good rationale. Partly because of the fact that this isn’t a clearly evidence-based guideline, I typically favor radiation in such settings because it can still be an effective way to eradicate a local lesion, but it doesn’t tend to entail the same morbidity as a surgery that would be pushing the envelope.

I’d venture to say that different oncologists have different philosophies about how and when to deviate from the general rules. It’s part of how medicine is individualized. But it’s worth knowing that while I consider metastatic disease to usually NOT be appropriate for surgery or routine use of radiation to eradicate all visible disease, I think it’s important to not fall into this being dogma.


19 Responses to Local Therapy for Metastatic Disease: Why Might We Break the Rules?

  • Catharine says:

    Dr. West -

    Thank you for your insight into this individualized approach. During a post-scan visit with my oncologist back in June, we noted an increase in the size of a single liver met, while the main lung tumor remained stable. There was also some spread of lytic bone lesions. My oncologist made an “off the cuff” statement that if it weren’t for the bone mets, he might be inclined to go after the liver met; it wasn’t clear by which means (radiation, surgery). I was so taken aback by the statement that I failed to ask more about what he meant. He had never spoken of local therapy for a met before. It was a real surprise to me. That’s the point where he added carboplatin back in to my regimen (along with alimta and zometa), with the statement that the liver met would now become the marker for carboplatin effectiveness. I’m still waiting on my first post-carbo scan to see if it has had any effect.

    So, even an oncologist who once seemed totally against local therapy in the case of metastatic disease has approached the subject of local treatment — very tentatively.

    - Catharine

  • Laya D. says:

    Thank you, Dr. West. Once again you’ve reminded us that when it comes to fighting this disease (even in an advanced stage), there isn’t always a cookie-cutter approach. This was very enlightening.

    Laya

  • Mook says:

    Dr. West -
    I am a frequent visitor to Grace, but rarely post. I find it invaluable to learn from the posts of others and watch for your comments as well as the other Doctors and participants on the site. Grace is truly a great resource for people going through any sort of cancer diagnosis to learn more about the disease and potential symptoms, side effects, treatments, etc.

    The reason I felt compelled to post is that this topic of “breaking the rules” on metastatic disease struck a cord with me since I had recently been diagnosed with stage 4 adenocarcinoma, but treated with surgery as well as concurrent chemo/radiation.

    When we went in for the VATS resection of my ULL, it was believed that I was only stage 2 since all the pet scans, bronch, MRI’s and CT scans only showed active disease in the 2.5cm tumor in my upper left lung as well as activity in the lymph nodes on that same side. While the lymph nodes did not light up on the pet scan, they were evident on the CT scans and confirmed positive during surgery. Also during surgery, a lymph node in my hilar area was found to be positive, which moved me to stage 3, as well as a mass in the mediastinum and some very small nodules that were on the pleura and behind the lung on the pulmonary artery which moved me to stage 4.

    The mass and the small nodules could not be removed, but the tumor in my lung as well as the lymph nodes that were found to be positive were removed. So, while we did not plan to “break the rules” when we went into surgery, we ultimately did so by removing the tumor and lymph nodes after knowing it was at stage 4 progression. I don’t fault the surgeon or my Oncologist for this as I know that they both believe (as do I) that my best chance for “cure” was to remove the tumor and as much of the known disease as possible.

    I am now undergoing concurrent radiation and chemotherapy (Carbo/Taxol) to treat the mass and nodules that were left in my chest. We are also planning a follow up round of chemo only (Cisplatin/Premetrexed) to attempt to kill any microscopic cells that are still in the blood stream or may have landed and missed by the lower dose chemo used during my concurrent treatment.

    My question is whether you or the other docs on the site felt that this was a suitable treatment plan knowing what we now know about my situation and progression. Also, not to second guess, but do you think that my situation is one where breaking the rules was advisable assuming that the active disease is contained in my chest where the radiation should kill what was left, and the chemo will kill any microscopic disease in the blood.

    Thanks for your thoughts and again providing this great resource.
    Mook

    Note: I am male, 47 year old never smoker that is in above average health. My tumor was tested and came up negative for both the EGFR and ALK mutations.

  • myrtle says:

    Like Mook, I sometimes end up second guessing the treatment I have had. I wonder if we had known of my relative slow disease progression and good response to treatment, I might have been initially treated with a curative instead of palliative intent. It does help to hear that perhaps people have a similar outcome regardless of treatment choices. And I guess there is no way to know the rate of disease progression without the benefit of time….

    Thanks for you thoughts on this subject.

    Myrtle

  • Dr West says:

    Mook,

    I’d have to confess that knowing someone had multiple nodules of visible cancer in the chest would lead me to be skeptical that it could feasibly be cured. That said, one other thing I didn’t mention in the post is that there is an element of “what do you have to lose?”. This isn’t a rhetorical question: it’s part of why I am more inclined to push the envelope with radiation than with surgery, because the consequences of being wrong aren’t likely to be dire. By the same token, the age/health/fitness of a patient is also part of the equation. I am far more reluctant to push the envelope with a 77 year old with severe emphysema than a fit 47 year-old. Even if they end up being over-treated and it ended up not helping, I don’t think you feel the same kind of regret if they come through fine but the treatment just couldn’t do the job. That’s very different from the regret that you feel in sending a very marginal candidate for aggressive treatment to an approach that was a dubious idea and ends up harming them. In fact, I think regret can cut both ways: if you’re 47, receive aggressive treatment that doesn’t cure you, I’d suspect you’ll feel a lot less regret than what you’d feel by considering it, not doing it, and wondering if things might have turned out more favorably if only you had pursued the more aggressive strategy. So I think the “what if” questions are important and should lead us to ask about whether potential over-treatment would be very inadvisable or a very tolerable idea that just didn’t happen to work.

    No evidence guides us here. This is all well in the grayest areas of medical treatment.

    And Myrtle, I think one part of this process is that we should all be prohibited from second-guessing ourselves. We’d all be geniuses if we just knew exactly how the future was going to turn out.

  • kej says:

    Dr. West
    Your remark “what do you have to lose?” is exactly what was in the back of our heads and why I/we freaked out when learning that the only thing the first hospital would offer is paliative care. My husband’s age (55 y), performance status, the rest of his profile and his sincere wish to be aggressive did not move them. 4 treatment and then just go home and wait for the disease to grow again.
    As I write, we are in a stage where, like you said, the focal treatment may turn out as a good idea that just did not work. But even if that might be the case, we would at any time say that the present hospital’s seeing my husband as an individual and really trying, and giving us hope that he may live to experience our youngest daughter turn 18 and finish grammar school is something we will always appreciate. I guess they will never fully understand what a summer this gave us, in contrast to just be given up upon and left to die.

  • Dr West says:

    I understand that perspective, and I think that one advantage of any more aggressive approach is to never wonder “what if…?” The downsides that I see are as follows:

    1) sometimes the treatment can be very challenging and markedly diminish quality of life, so giving a very punishing treatment for a not very realistic possibility of meaningful benefit is far more questionable than taking a leap on a less difficult treatment (which is part of why I am less hesitant about radiation than surgery if you’re pushing the envelope), and

    2) I think there can be a real value in coming to terms with the limits of what we can achieve. This is a very personal, individual issue, but I do think some patients and their families/friends miss out on the benefit of stepping out of attack mode to focus on their comfort rather than “serving two masters” of accepting greater treatment-related side effects while also ostensibly trying to pay attention to quality of life.

    I’m not arguing against an individualized approach, but rather trying to say that there’s good reason to not just over-treat nearly everyone as a general policy.

  • kej says:

    Dr. West,
    Your perspective are certainly appreciated.
    I fully understand and agree why radiation, when making exceptions to the rules of treating metastatic disease, is more appealing than surgery.
    I also see your point about quality of life – and I am adding the perspective to qol that, at least to us, feeling abandoned and not seen as an individual does not equal qol, neither does the thought “could more be done”.
    This is obviously a step where oncology touches art more than science, meaning that there is no fixed answer.

  • KimL says:

    Thanks Dr West
    My Mother was recently diagnosed with BAC. A 3cm well defined lesion in RUL. The respirologist predicted its in a very early stage and she was sent for a PET. We see the Respirologist in follow up on the 18th nov. They had anticipated sending her to CVT for a lobectomy and talked about the cancer in terms of being “surgically curable”

    In the meantime I obtained the report from the radiologist.
    Aside from the focus in the RUL, they describe ” ” one very intense rounded hypermetabolic focus in the left intertrochanteric region showing a max SUV of 14.5″…. there is no increased uptake anywhere else.
    In conclusion regarding this region they say ” the hypermetabolic focus in the left intertrochanteric region is highly suspicious for a metastatic lesion. As this is the only abnormal hypermetabolic fous suggestive of a solitary metatstasis, futher investigation may be helpful to confirm or not that the histopathologic findings are teh same of those found in the pulmonary lesion”

    So my questions are
    - could this be a false positive (though the 14.5 value is worrisome)
    - could this really be a met, whereas they predicted an early stage, is this not an atypical presentation
    - could this be another type of CA
    - if it is indeed a met of her primary BAC, could they not still do the lobectomy and radiate the intertrochanteric lesion to prolong survival ?

    I am not sure what to ask the respirologist. I just worry someone will just say ” oh well stage 4″ etc
    Thanks
    Kim L.

  • Dr West says:

    I apologize for the long delay in responding — this message was stuck in the spam filter, and I’ve been away and didn’t happen to detect and rescue it until now.

    You may well already have the answer to your question by now, but I’ll offer my thoughts, and if you have an answer to what’s happening, I hope you’ll let us know.

    The radiologist is essentially saying that while the hip lesion is most consistent with and suspicious for a bone metastasis, it’s so isolated that it’s not conclusive until further information confirms that it’s a cancer, and the same cancer. The presence of a bone lesion would make this extremely unlikely to be pure BAC, but unfortunately it’s well within the range of what an invasive adenocarcinoma can do, and my leading suspicion would be that the lung lesion actually has an invasive, aggressive component that spread to the femur. However, I agree that when the treatment would be substantially different, and especially if a new result would make it infeasible to treat realistically with curative intent.

    With regard to whether surgery and radiation would be feasible, it’s possible, but I’d have to admit that I think that would be very optimistic. My personal approach in situations in which an aggressive but questionably valuable intervention is being considered is often to start with systemic therapy, give the cancer a good opportunity to “declare itself”, and then be far more inclined to pursue the more aggressive approach if the cancer is responding, or at least not progressing in several other places in a few months. We really want to avoid having people undertake an aggressive treatment and then develop multiple new metastases just as they’re recovering from surgery, radiation, etc. We want to work to neither over-treatment (which adds side effects but no real benefit) nor under-treatment (which would lead to doing less well than possible with more aggressive treatment).

    -Dr. West

  • KimL says:

    Dr. West
    Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. I admit I had not thought about the option of the lung pathology that you menion, an aggressive component etc
    Since my post, a few things have transpired
    1 mom went to respirologist.
    - he discussed possibility of met to the hip
    - possibility of another type of CA in the bone
    - he sent her for a hip Xray as well as bone scan
    2 we went to her GP who is also director of primary care at McGill University Health Centre
    - he looked at hip Xray which he said was OK. I looked at it with him though I have to see reading radiographs is not my forte !
    - he spoke about an oncologist being the one to ultimately decide the treatment approach. My mom is favoring the idea (which the GP discussed) of having the RUL Lobectomy… and a hip replacement (in the context of a possible well defined lesion in the hip)
    - he wrote a referral to oncology as a “parallel process” while she continues to see the respirologist

    Friday I obtained the Bone Scan results…
    - essentially moderately intense to intenselinear increased uptake in multiple contiguoius lumbar vertebrae as well as a shoulder ( this is felt to be from degenerative changes.. she does in fact have significant spine problems….and is being followed for this. Actually he suggests as well xrays for correlation. The shoulder as well is explainable)
    -*** RE the HIP… the MD says ” there is only very mild increased uptake of radiotracer at the left lesser trochanter where, however the PET scan shows a significantly hypermetabolic focus. Furher investigation suggested as needed”
    AND he says in conclusion ” only very mild uptake of tracer at the lef lesser trochanter where a recent PET showed Intense metabolic activity”… and ” many of the findings likely related to degenerative changes and possibly compression fractures in lumbar spine”

    Regarding her L-Spine, I will be speaking to her Neurologist this week who follows her closely.

    So my questions are
    -regarding the hip- I’m not sure what to make of the ? less impressive bone scan findings given the PET scan results..could this not be a met ?
    - is other investigation warranted now or NOT re the hip ? Would an MRI help or is a bone bx the only way to have a definitive result or can one make conclusions now with the data we have so far
    - finally I am very very concerned now about time delays. Its December practically, and we are talking about pathology results from the Ct guide TTN bx done on the lung lesion October 22 from which they obtained the dx of BAC. The holidays are coming…this will involve of course more delays…….

    What should we do next ?

    Thanks and best regards !

    Kim

  • KimL says:

    Hi Dr. West
    Me again…..
    I should mention that this week coming
    - we see the respirologist on Thurs for his feedback re bone scan and hip x ray
    - we see her Primary Physician on Friday AM re his take on the whole thing so far
    - the oncology consult was only given in last week. I spoke with the person who does scheduling on Thursday. We might not hear anything back from them for a good week if not 2 weeks !!!!
    The delays are quite worrisome really
    thanks again
    Kim

  • Dr West says:

    I would say that a biopsy is the only definitive way to say what is happening in the hip, and while I think there’s a real possibility it’s benign, I would not presume that to be the case. MRI scans are routinely recommended but often seem to produce the same equivocating inconclusive findings of possibly degenerative vs. possibly cancer.

    Though I very much appreciate your desire to move forward quickly, I think it makes the most sense to get the most information before making irreversible plans. Finding out whether the hip lesion is metastatic or not is very important, and I would sincerely question the wisdom of rushing to do a lung surgery that may be futile. Lung surgery can be the right course of action, but it’s enough of a challenge that you’d really want to ensure that if it’s going to be pursued, there’s a realistic chance that it can be a curative intervention.

    I think one of the other issues you have is that there are multiple doctors involved, which provides a risk that none will take a lead and they’ll just hem and haw. In the US at least, one of the roles of a medical oncologist is often to serve as the leader of the broader medical team managing a patient’s cancer. It may be helpful to try to clarify whether the respirologist will take the reigns and move forward with a decisive plan or whether that will be deferred to the oncologist in the end. But having too many other doctors involved runs a risk of creating more noise in the system but few clear answers (“more heat than light”, if you will).

    Finally, this is really not the place for this kind of case discussion. Please start a thread in the forum section (www.cancergrace.org/forums) if you want to post further questions. Thanks.

  • KimL says:

    Dr West
    Thanks for your note, it was not my intention to “hijack” this thread with this case discussion, sorry about that.
    If you can advise which area I can start the new thread, this would be great.

    I have to say though, so far you have been dead on with all of your comments and I have appreciated this discussion a great deal
    Nothing further has transpired other than a f/u with resp who does not think a bx should be done, is passing on mom to a ‘tumor board’ who will call us by the end of December to see her ‘eventually’, no word from oncology re: referral from GP( and I am told they will likely just say wait for tumour board)
    I can get mom into see a resp who works with Lung Ca primary at the JGH through my contacts….I am a health professional
    So essentially much heming and hawing and no actual plan.. and the holidays are approaching…and of course the cancer is doing what cancers do…. progressing….as the months pass by….
    This is quite a situation, we are talking about a pt who sought medical attention right away at the first presentation of hemoptysis…end of August !
    ( another resp told her Sept 3 her CXR was “fine” that the hemoptysis was d/t bronchiectasis….I was told a CT was not required….It turned ot the 3cm lesion was visible on that CXR… mom ended up being admitted with pyelonephritis second week October and this is how the Lung Ca was found…)

    I may well decide to take my mom with her scans/slides to US to have a second opinion and another perspective.

    Can you advise where in the forum I should be posting this discussion, I checked out the forum and was not sure
    Many Thanks and Best Regards
    Kim L

  • KimL says:

    i’m adding my email address
    k_legault@sympatico.ca

  • Dr West says:

    You can start a new discussion forum thread on a topic in lung cancer by using this link:

    http://cancergrace.org/forums/index.php?action=post;board=118.0

    I do agree that it’s distressing to have no plan being developed over a course of weeks heading into months.

  • pcarrillo says:

    Thank you Dr. West! It seems that treating stage 4-lung cancer in a localized manner is not without its inherent pitfalls. I am about to take the plunge down this route. I was recently diagnosed with a 5.5 cm lung tumor and a 5 mm brain met. Gamma Knife seems to have taken care of the brain met and am currently about to begin my fourth round of chemo that is done every three weeks. My oncologist has referred me to a surgeon and we will be doing a resection of the upper right lobe where the tumor is located. I approach this with much trepidation since I have scleroderma and I feel that this may be the reason I developed lc to begin with. The other side to this coin is that I am relatively healthy 36 year old man and have been doing very well with chemo. Aggressive treatment is scary but it seems like this is the best option for me.

  • ts says:

    I know this post is a year old, but this individual case will likely make a debut somewhere – I’d welcome the faculty’s thoughts on the idea of removing one lung tumor in someone successfully being treated with Tarceva.
    http://shorebread.com/eastern-shore-coastal-living-wellness/2011/09/05/PJAF-Announces-Raffle-Winner-More-Significant-Moments-in-Lung-Cancer-Crusade

  • Dr West says:

    We’ve been having more discussions at tumor boards about cases like this. In principle, a metastatic cancer is still going to be metastatic if you take out the visible disease, whether it’s one spot or 3 or 10 spots. But there’s more of a chance that this might be the rare exception that is “oligometatatic” and perhaps, just perhaps, doesn’t have distant spread of micrometastatic disease that will pop up as visible soon enough.

    Of course, this is a temptation, and in such cases I’ve been a little more inclined to consider focal radiation, since it is often so well tolerated, which is important if you’re going out on a limb to suggest a treatment that isn’t the textbook approach. The worst case scenario is to have someone doing very well but then experience a dangerous complication, or even just long-term pain, from a treatment that doesn’t have a justifiable role based on the well established standards of care and biology of the cancer.

    -Dr. West

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