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Dr West 6 months, 1 week ago.
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| August 29, 2012 at 9:18 pm #1247449 | |
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Tong |
Dear consultant, My sister diagnosed to have metatstatic breast cancer on July 2011 which undergoing surgery on Nov 2011, radiation therapy on Dec 2011 and chemotherapy as well as targeted therapy Herceptin for 18 doses with the start of tamoxifen since January this year. She is ER strong positive, PR negative, C-erb B2 equivocal as shown on surgical specimen. Since the disease showed progression with the increasing in bone metatstasis on spine, shoulder and pelvic region in recent PET scan on June 2012 , oncologist suggested her to do ovarian ablation using RT and using another hormonal drug called AI. As I think that Tamoxifen has no benefit to my sister, then is another hormonal drug may help? My another concern is that ovarian ablation may induce some other adverse effect on the body as it may interfere with the hormonal/eco system inside the body. Besides, my sister already got multiple bone metatasis , one of the side effect of AI may induce osteoporosis, then would it make the bone more osteopenic and therefore easier to break. Do you think ovarian ablation is really got beneficial to my sister? What is the gain in survival rate as well as the psychological benefit with the use of it? I know that you may think that I have too much worry but I really want to think of the best way of treatment to my sister and she can maintain her quality of life during her last time. We are very afraid to do as we think that it might not be useful, so we are now just depending on Chinese medicine alone. Besides, I may start using alternative cancer treatment suggested by Budwig center which based on the alternation of diet and have additonal nutritional supplement for the patient. I know that cancer patient may end in a difficult life. My only wish is that sister can maintain her quality of life and we can live under psychological healthiness. Looking forward for your advice on the future management of my sister. With many thanks for your advice, |
| August 30, 2012 at 6:12 am #1247461 | |
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catdander forum moderator |
Hello Teresa, I’m very sorry your sister is dealing with such an awful disease. Please take a few minutes to read the link below and look at the focused breast cancer posts. Dr. Cianfrocca has spent a great deal of time preparing this information to help with many of the common questions people have. They are very easy to read and understand. I hope you can find a better understanding from them. Too, I will contact her for more input on your questions. You should here back from within 12 hours. Janine This is a link to Dr. Cianfrocca’s introduction to understanding breast cancer http://cancergrace.org/breast-cancer/2011/09/06/breast-cancer-101/ Also, at the top of each page you will find a green bar with one section entitled “Focused Cancer Info” click on it and pick breast cancer for much more information. catdander’s husband: |
| August 30, 2012 at 7:31 am #1247464 | |
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catdander forum moderator |
Teresa, I’m sorry but our breast cancer specialist will be out of her office today. We will try again tomorrow. I think this will give you a good opportunity to familiarize yourself (if you haven’t already) with the information I posted in the previous post. Best to you and your sister, catdander’s husband: |
| August 30, 2012 at 9:55 am #1247470 | |
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Dr West |
This being the end of the summer, I suspect Dr. Cianfrocca may well be on vacation or speaking somewhere (she’s in the Phoenix area, so perhaps she snuck out to somewhere less likely to be over 100 degrees). However, I can assure you that an aromatase inhibitor, or AI, is really a cornerstone of treatment for patients with hormone receptor-positive breast cancer, particularly after they have progressed on tamoxifen, but this needs to be accompanied by ovarian ablation in premenopausal women. I can’t quote you hard stats on the proven survival benefit, but this intervention is really widely accepted as being potentially beneficial for months and sometimes years, and an AI is an oral agent that is also typically pretty well tolerated, primarily with issues of muscle and joint aches as the leading issue (though variable). Though we all have our biases, I would say that both hormone therapy and chemotherapy for metastatic breast cancer has a much more established benefit than the Budwig diet, various self-promoting nutritional supplements, etc. By all means, an informed adult can accept or refuse whatever treatments they want, but I would recommend hormone therapy and potentially chemotherapy (generally with chemo following the time when hormone therapies have done what they can do) are what I would recommend for my own family member, far ahead of other ideas that I think have some marketing appeal but little actual quality evidence to show they really help. -Dr. West Howard (Jack) West, MD Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| August 30, 2012 at 6:12 pm #1247475 | |
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Dr Cianfrocca |
As Dr West said, using a hormonal drug such as tamoxifen or an aromatase inhibitor is standard when the breast cancer is ER-positive. Tamoxifen and AIs work differently and an AI can work even when tamoxifen does not. However, as Dr West said, an AI can only work if your sister is postmenopausal (ovaries not working). In regards to AIs weakening the bones, that is usually not an issue with metastatic breast cancer to bone because we routinely give bone-strenghtening drugs such as xgeva or zometa to those women. All the best, Mary Cianfrocca, D.O., FACP Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Banner MD Anderson Cancer Center. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| August 30, 2012 at 8:32 pm #1247477 | |
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Tong |
Dear doctors, |
| August 30, 2012 at 9:50 pm #1247478 | |
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Dr West |
I’ll need to see what we can find out about bromocriptine; it doesn’t come up as an issue in my lung cancer patients. It’s not that a drug like Zometa is absolutely critical for patients receiving an AI, but it can combat the acceleration of osteoporosis that can occur with hormone therapies. However, it’s not our place to make a medical recommendation for whether someone here should or shouldn’t pursue a specific treatment. I am not aware of any actual evidence that indicates a significant benefit of the Budwig protocol with hormone therapy or in metastatic breast cancer in general. -Dr. West Howard (Jack) West, MD Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| August 31, 2012 at 1:21 am #1247480 | |
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Tong |
Dear Dr West, |
| August 31, 2012 at 7:53 am #1247482 | |
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catdander forum moderator |
Hi Tong, I hope you feel more equiped to know your sister’s situation and ways that may help. I must confess reading your interaction with these two doctors reminds me how little I know about most of this. As you can see from my signature below my husband has lung cancer. The treatments are very different between lung and breast cancer. The best to you both, catdander’s husband: |
| August 31, 2012 at 7:58 am #1247483 | |
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Dr Cianfrocca |
The purpose of a drug like zometa or xgeva for patients like your sister is not so much to prevent osteoporosis due to an AI. The purpose is to prevent fractures and other complications that can occur when cancer is already in the bone. However I want to emphasize Dr West’s comment that it is not our place to make medical recommendations since we don’t know and are not treating your sister. There is likely a very valid reason that she is not receiving one of these drugs. Bromocriptine can induce ovulation and therefore make an AI ineffective. This should not be an issue however if her ovaries are radiated or removed. A woman absolutely must be completely postmenopausal to be able to benefit from an AI. Your sister should be sure to discuss any concerns about interactions between any of her medications with all her treating physicians I am not familiar enough with the Budwig protocol to comment on it. Dr Cianfrocca Mary Cianfrocca, D.O., FACP Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Banner MD Anderson Cancer Center. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| August 31, 2012 at 8:07 am #1247484 | |
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catdander forum moderator |
Thank you so much Dr. Cianfrocca for following this thread. It’s so very helpful. catdander’s husband: |
| August 31, 2012 at 4:33 pm #1247522 | |
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Dr West |
Also, many of these issues, including around bromocriptine, were previously discussed in a thread you had initiated many months ago, at which time, we were fortunate enough to have both Drs. Cianfrocca and Walko comment: http://cancergrace.org/forums/index.php?topic=11292.0 -Dr. West Howard (Jack) West, MD Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| August 31, 2012 at 5:32 pm #1247527 | |
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Tong |
Dearest doctors and modulator, |
| September 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm #1247580 | |
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Tong |
Dear consultants, |
| September 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm #1247581 | |
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Dr West |
AIs, like other hormone therapies, can work very well against bone disease. In general, if they are going to be effective, they tend to be similarly effective throughout the body. The brain is one area where many of our systemic therapies don’t penetrate, but otherwise, systemic therapies, whether chemotherapy or hormone therapy or targeted therapy, often works comparably on lesions throughout the body. Good luck. -Dr. West Howard (Jack) West, MD Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| September 2, 2012 at 9:56 pm #1247591 | |
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Dr Cianfrocca |
I agree with Dr. West’s comments. All the best Mary Cianfrocca, D.O., FACP Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Banner MD Anderson Cancer Center. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| September 8, 2012 at 7:20 pm #1247827 | |
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Tong |
Dear doctors, |
| September 8, 2012 at 7:32 pm #1247828 | |
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Tong |
And what can we do to lower the adverse effect of Zometa if zometa infusion is a must for my sister. |
| September 8, 2012 at 8:34 pm #1247830 | |
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Dr West |
The acute effects like fever and pain/malaise tend to go away after the first 2-3 infusions. I don’t know of any specific intervention for them — you can give something like Tylenol just to help with the symptoms, but they tend to diminish with the next few infusions. The calcium is given because Zometa (zoledronate) shifts calcium from the blood into the bones. Without taking the supplemental calcium, far more people on Zometa will develop a low blood calcium level. In fact, Zometa is a leading treatment for high blood calcium levels, which can occur with cancer and a few other conditions. It’s important to follow the calcium levels to ensure that a person’s levels aren’t getting too high or too low, but it’s very standard to have a person on Zometa or XGEVA take supplemental calcium and vitamin D. -Dr. West Howard (Jack) West, MD Views expressed here represent my opinion, not those of GRACE or Swedish Cancer Institute. This information does not constitute medical advice and is intended to supplement and not replace medical information provided by your doctor. |
| September 8, 2012 at 9:41 pm #1247835 | |
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Tong |
Dear Dr west, |
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