cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?

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February 4, 2014 at 10:05 am  #1261976    

hotdogs

Hi – just wondering what the experts think of cannabis oil? don’t know anything about it, but saw some links to it on internet?? Is it any good?

February 4, 2014 at 10:35 am  #1261977    
JimC Forum Moderator
JimC Forum Moderator

Cannabis has been studied for its effect on minimizing symptoms of cancer and chemotherapy. You can read about that on the National Cancer Institute’s page: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1/AllPages

JimC
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Jul 2008 Wife Liz (51/never smoker) Dx Stage IV NSCLC EGFR exon 19
4 cycles Carbo/alimta, 65% shrinkage
Tarceva maintenance
Mar 2010 progression, added Alimta, stable
Sep 2010 multiple brain mets, WBR
Oct 2010 large pericardial effusion, tamponade
Jan 2011 progression, start abraxane
Jun 2011-New liver, brain mets, add Tarceva
Oct 2011-Dx Leptomeningeal carcinomatosis; pulsed Tarceva
At rest Nov 4 2011
Since then: http://cancergrace.org/blog/jim-and-lisa

February 4, 2014 at 2:27 pm  #1261984    
catdander forum moderator
catdander forum moderator

There’s really no science there. Probably someone just trying to make some money off the disparition of others. I’m not sure the technical term you’d call his ideas past “ideas”, maybe hypotheses? Cannabis use of any kind is illegal in Alabama where we live so I can’t say whether or not cannabis is useful for my husband’s symptoms. Dr. West has spoken of his experience of patient stories is those who haven’t experienced cannabis before often have a negative psychological reaction. Dr. Weiss has spoken of a patient who held a prescription for cannabis who made lemon squares that helped her symptoms. But there’s not been any science or clinical studies that suggests it’s a cure all for cancer. There’s no suggestion in science on the horizon that suggest there will be a cancer cure all. What does seem to be the future of cancer treatment is that cancer might someday be divided into types of mutations rather than the organ in which they came then treated by mutation.

I hope you’ve gotten the understanding that our faculty (more that just the tip of the iceberg of the best oncologists today) want nothing more than to make their jobs obsolete. Drs West and Weiss even pondered their next occupations should that happen. Personally I’ve learned to put all my conspiracy theories away when it comes to who cares most and who is most outspoken on matters of oncology ethics. There’s even a forum for it. http://cancergrace.org/forum/cancer-basics/oncology-economics-industry-policy
The issue of what gets studied is too often focused on what can make the most money. Since the government doesn’t spend much money on cancer research, especially lung cancer it’s up the drug developers who are in the business. Businesses are for making money even though they are full of people passionate about what they do; they’re still big businesses and they have to make money.

This is part one of 4, http://cancergrace.org/cancer-101/2013/01/06/clin-trials-ramalingam-pt-1/

Janine

February 4, 2014 at 2:39 pm  #1261985    
catdander forum moderator
catdander forum moderator

Sorry ran out of room. The series of posts are on how treatments are vetted before they’re assumed to have a good chance of helping.

I don’t mean to turn your thread into something it’s not. I just have real feelings on the subject and have learned so much from this site and I don’t want you to think you’re not getting the best treatment.

So glad you’ve taken on your own education to make sure you’re getting what you need. It’s why we’re here.
All the very best,
Janine

February 4, 2014 at 3:22 pm  #1261987    
catdander forum moderator
catdander forum moderator

Wow Jim, I must apologize for not checking out your link before responding. It seems to have all the info on cannabis and cancer both clinical and preclinical studies; including antitumor effects.

hotdog, take a closer look.

February 4, 2014 at 8:29 pm  #1262002    
Dr West
Dr West

As Jim suggested, cannabis can potentially help with appetite and chronic pain, as I’ve seen in some of my patients, but I would put absolutely no faith in the idea that it cures cancer. The ideas espoused in the link are … “fanciful”, I’ll say as diplomatically as I can, and without any remote hint of real clinical evidence. I would consider the concept to be very, very far from any established reality.

-Dr. West

February 6, 2014 at 4:17 am  #1262037    

hotdogs

Thanks all – esp. Jim – some interesting stuff on that page…………

February 6, 2014 at 4:31 am  #1262038    

hotdogs

maybe that website i copied is a bit like someone trying to make money out of it all, but there is alot of scientific stuff out there where they say it has inhibited the growth of cancer in rats, mice? In the link Jim sent it mentions that a tumour’s growth was inhibited by 60%
from British Journal of Pharmacology (reputable) they say “In the last two decades, research has dramatically increased the knowledge of cannabinoids biology and pharmacology. In mammals, compounds with properties similar to active components of Cannabis sativa, the so called ‘endocannabinoids’, have been shown to modulate key cell-signalling pathways involved in cancer cell growth, invasion and metastasis. To date, cannabinoids have been licensed for clinical use as palliative treatment of chemotherapy, but increased evidences showed direct antiproliferative actions of cannabinoid agonists on several tumour cells in vitro and in animal models.”

And there is loads of this sort of thing…………..

February 6, 2014 at 5:45 am  #1262043    

hotdogs

and not really looking for a cure at this stage, just something to slow down growth……..I’m realistic really – don’t expect cures, just a bit longer, you know

February 6, 2014 at 6:36 am  #1262053    

hotdogs

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

February 6, 2014 at 1:58 pm  #1262083    

cards7up

What happens in rats and mice will not necessarily have the same result in humans. This is why human clinical trials are done and many don’t make it to approval. Looked good in the lab, but didn’t work in the human body. Are you trying to avoid conventional treatment? Take care, Judy


Stage IIIA adeno, dx 7/2010. SRS then chemo carbo/alimta 4x. NED as of 10/2011.
Local recurrence, surgery to remove LRL 8/29/13. 5.2cm involved pleura. Chemo carbo/alimta x3. NED

February 6, 2014 at 9:40 pm  #1262098    
Dr West
Dr West

As Judy noted, there’s an enormous gulf between lab-based work and actual findings that improve outcomes in human patients. There are probably around 1000 things reported to slow or shrink cancer in test tubes or animal models for every treatment that actually helps human patients with cancer.

I’m not saying it’s impossible that cannibis is significantly beneficial in fighting cancer. I’m just saying that the evidence offered is so weak that it would need to be far stronger to graduate to becoming “speculative”. I don’t consider the kind of evidence available on this hypothesis to be in the same ballpark, and probably not in the same atmosphere, as clinically meaningful, credible evidence of a significant beneficial effect in human cancer patients.

-Dr. West

February 7, 2014 at 2:10 am  #1262101    

hotdogs

Ok, thanks for your responses……….I am ‘doing’ conventional treatment at moment, but doctors have said…..if this doesn’t work, that’s it……..like they’ve run out of ideas, so I’m looking for alternatives……….just looking for something that might work. Thanks, Ann

February 7, 2014 at 5:30 am  #1262102    
JimC Forum Moderator
JimC Forum Moderator

Ann,

In looking through your previous posts (including your other thread), it appears that you had surgery followed by a chemo regimen you didn’t identify, then 6 weeks of Iressa and now carbo/alimta. I don’t know how the UK health care system plays into this, but it doesn’t seem that you would have run out of conventional treatment options. There are other established chemo agents which could be tried, as well as the possibility of a clinical trial. If at some point you progress on the current therapy (hopefully not!), and your doctors are still saying they have no ideas, is a second opinion possible?

JimC
Forum moderator


Jul 2008 Wife Liz (51/never smoker) Dx Stage IV NSCLC EGFR exon 19
4 cycles Carbo/alimta, 65% shrinkage
Tarceva maintenance
Mar 2010 progression, added Alimta, stable
Sep 2010 multiple brain mets, WBR
Oct 2010 large pericardial effusion, tamponade
Jan 2011 progression, start abraxane
Jun 2011-New liver, brain mets, add Tarceva
Oct 2011-Dx Leptomeningeal carcinomatosis; pulsed Tarceva
At rest Nov 4 2011
Since then: http://cancergrace.org/blog/jim-and-lisa

February 7, 2014 at 10:17 am  #1262113    
catdander forum moderator
catdander forum moderator

Ann, We had a member, certain spring who wrote quite a bit on Grace. She was from the UK and worked through the NHS med system. Being a gifted journalist and writer she wrote about her experiences with the NHS. Following is a Grace search result, you may need to sift through but certain spring was never irrelevant. http://cancergrace.org/search-results?q=certain%20spring%20UK%20NHS

Again from certain spring’s experience I understand it’s possible to access 2nd opinions and even move to another doctor. The following blog post written by an american oncologist is relevant in many healthcare systems. http://cancergrace.org/cancer-101/2011/11/13/an-insider%E2%80%99s-guide-to-the-second-opinion/

You may want to add a signature that will show up on the bottom of your posts so our doctors have a context with which to attach your questions. We plan to have you around for a while ;) Click your avatar, “edit forum signature” top left and submit if you wish.

Janine

February 7, 2014 at 10:22 am  #1262114    

hotdogs

Thanks guys, I plan to be around for a while!! Very interested in someone else’s experiences with NHS, so must read that. Busy day, so will get back after I read those, and will try to add a signature. Thanks again. Ann

June 18, 2014 at 3:25 pm  #1264463    

ericamartins

This is so great am alive to testify the good work of hemp oil and its miracle healing.

In April 10th 2012 i was diagnosed of breast cancer and bone cancer when the doctor told me it was already too late for me, that i have only ten months on earth to live. I shared tears and all hope was gone thinking that i will just sleep and go just like that.

My mom came to visit me in Serbia two months later and bought me some hemp oil product saying that it works well on cancer, ever since she told me about the benefits and encourage me to use the medication. I have been on treatment for the past 4 months now which was the required treatment plan for me.
Last week, I went to hospital to do my test and to God be the glory my cancer was not found there anymore. I have been cured with Rick Simpson hemp oil which my mother had bought for me.
My family in forever grateful to Rick Simpson Cannabis Oil.

September 15, 2014 at 10:23 am  #1265960    

andrius

I found this scientific study:

“Cannabidiol inhibits lung cancer cell invasion and metastasis via intercellular adhesion molecule-1″

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198381

It’s all very sciency and most of it just went over my head. What I got is that Cannabidiol might help prevent metastases. They don’t say anything about actively killing cancer. Also, I’ve read that not all hemp oil contains Cannabidiol, it needs to be extracted from certain strains of hemp which contains CBD.

September 15, 2014 at 11:40 am  #1265962    
JimC Forum Moderator
JimC Forum Moderator

Hi andrius,

The research described in that link was lab-based and tested in mice, but not humans with lung cancer. As Dr. West stated previously in this thread:

“[T]here’s an enormous gulf between lab-based work and actual findings that improve outcomes in human patients. There are probably around 1000 things reported to slow or shrink cancer in test tubes or animal models for every treatment that actually helps human patients with cancer.”

Although it’s possible that this may play a role some day in cancer treatment, there just isn’t any current evidence that it will.

JimC
Forum moderator


Jul 2008 Wife Liz (51/never smoker) Dx Stage IV NSCLC EGFR exon 19
4 cycles Carbo/alimta, 65% shrinkage
Tarceva maintenance
Mar 2010 progression, added Alimta, stable
Sep 2010 multiple brain mets, WBR
Oct 2010 large pericardial effusion, tamponade
Jan 2011 progression, start abraxane
Jun 2011-New liver, brain mets, add Tarceva
Oct 2011-Dx Leptomeningeal carcinomatosis; pulsed Tarceva
At rest Nov 4 2011
Since then: http://cancergrace.org/blog/jim-and-lisa

April 4, 2015 at 10:35 pm  #1269126    

jamespeters

You can read more here https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?s=cannabis

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