My husband just celebrated 3 years since DX NSCLC stage 4 with mets T10. He is on his 5th line chemo tx Gemzar. He has had radiation to T10, one rib and most recently completed radiation to a cervical vertebral lesion. He has managed his fatigue with rest and any pain with po med tx. Since he has completed the cervical vertebral radiation he has had a chronic headache unable to be relieved with meds. He just had a Brain MRI ; 2 small mm lesions. His doctors do not believe the brain lesions or radiation are causing the headaches. Since he has not been able to get headache relief with meds we are trying to look at options and possible causes. He has taken oxycodone 10 mg 1-2 tabs TID prn for 3 years. Sometimes he has not needed the med but we are wondering if he possibly could be having rebound headaches. Does one try reducing meds for awhile or does he need stronger pain relief with IM or IV tx? It has only been 2 weeks since he completed radiation. He has never had headaches as a side affect from cancer tx. He is trying to be patient with healing but it is so hard to see him suffer without pain relief. Any thoughts or advice on chronic headaches post cervical vertebral radiation? Thankyou for your review.
Hx March 2010 DX NSCLC stage 4 with bone mets T10
First line tx: radiation T10. Chemo carbo, taxol, Avastin
Second line: Avastin, Zometa , Xgeva: Developed avascular osteonecrosis jaw( small opening gum)
Third line: Tarceva : ineffective . Radiation rib lesion
Fourth line: Alimnta
Fifth line: Gemzar . Radiation cervical vertebral lesion
Reply # - March 20, 2013, 04:16 AM
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Good morning Maui George, and I am glad to hear of your husband's three-year anniversary, though sorry to hear he is suffering like this.
I am not a doctor, and of course you have come here for a doctor's view. It may be that the oxycodone is implicated, but to me the obvious suspect would be the brain mets. I notice you say that your husband's doctors have ruled them out as a cause of the headaches: if I were in your position, I would want to know why they are so sure. I have a dx of brain mets myself, and the headaches before they were treated were quite something. Very best.
Reply # - March 20, 2013, 10:35 AM
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Welcome Maui George, 3 year a grand cause for celebration. I agree with certain spring about wanting an explanation for ruling out the brain mets as cause for headaches.
As for the oxycodone you would not want to decrease his dose quickly although I doubt you are trying that at the moment. It is normal to move to an extended release formula when more is needed. This is a post on pain relief that may be helpful to know when discussing options of pain relief with his doctors. Some institutions bring in pain specialists when needed. http://cancergrace.org/cancer-treatments/2012/07/28/dr-harman-on-cancer…
I will ask a doctor to comment on your post. You should hear back within the day.
Very best to you both,
Janine
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Reply # - March 20, 2013, 06:36 PM
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Hi Maui George,
I would also echo what certain spring and Janine have said, that I would want to rule out brain mets as the cause. Very small lesions do not usually produce symptoms, but if there is significant swelling around those lesions that can cause headaches or other symptoms. When that happens, steroids often reduce the swelling and provide relief fairly quickly. As Dr. Loiselle stated: "Symptoms are often caused by swelling in and around the brain metastasis which then compresses the normal healthy brain. Steroid medication such as dexamethasone is helpful in reducing such swelling." - http://cancergrace.org/lung/2011/09/11/brain-metastases-in-lung-cancer-…
JimC
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Reply # - March 20, 2013, 08:35 PM
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Unfortunately, my opinion is that I don't have a good explanation, but I believe your doctors that it's almost unfathomable that a couple of brain lesions that are 1 mm are the cause of headaches. Those are tiny and are just extremely hard to envision causing this.
I can't say whether the radiation might possibly cause this, but it's not expected. It's remotely possible that there's leptomeningeal carcinomatosis, or cancer in the fluid cushioning the brain and spinal cord, since that can sometimes cause neurologic symptoms that don't have a visible correlate on scans -- but that's really just a wild speculation, and I would hate for that very difficult complication to be the cause.
Headaches are one of the most common reasons that people see a doctor, and I believe the most common symptom when patients see a neurologist, and most aren't from cancer. For better or for worse, there are a long list of possibilities -- some cancer-related, some not.
Good luck.
-Dr. West
Reply # - March 26, 2013, 01:37 AM
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Thank you Dr West and everyone for your thoughts. His headaches have not responded to any of his PO meds. The headaches are increasing in intensity. IV meds were given with his chemo last week for the headache pain but the relief was minimal, few hours. I will call his doctor and hope that either pain patch or IV meds will be started. It is so hard to believe that overnight everything is changing. I still cling to the hope that this is a side affect from his radiation but as a nurse I know that L.C. Is a possibility. I also wonder if the avascular necrosis of his jaw has exacerbated. Pain relief is my primary concern. He is extremely reluctant to try the pain patches as he had a very bad reaction to the pain patch when he was originally diagnosed with NSCLC adenocarcinoma stage 4 with mets T 10 three years ago. He never complains but today he admits the pain is worse and it's time to try other pain relief measures.
Do we repeat the brain MRI? When do we decide that he needs a lumbar puncture? His pain will need to be controlled before he could tolerate any diagnostic tests.
Again thank you for you thoughts.
Reply # - March 26, 2013, 02:10 AM
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I'm really sorry to hear about your husband's continuing pain.
I've had lots of radiation and I've only once had pain that I felt was related to it: intense but transient (minutes) pain in the chest after chest radiation.
Have you considered targeted radiation or WBR to the existing brain mets? Would it not be wise to treat them, whether or not it can be proved that they are the cause of your husband's pain? Obviously Dr West knows far more about this than I do, but as I mentioned I had brain mets on dx and the headaches were excruciating, even though the mets turned out to be small. The headaches started quite a long time before I was diagnosed, and did not respond to conventional pain relief. JimC's point about swelling and steroids seems to me a good one - would your husband's doctors consider trying dexamethasone or similar, to see if the headaches respond to that?
I think a lumbar puncture would be very hard on someone who is already in pain.
Reply # - March 26, 2013, 08:48 AM
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He was put on steroids a week ago. The headaches started shortly after he began the cervical vertebral radiation but they were mild in the beginning. It has just been the last two weeks after completing radiation that the intensity has changed. On Friday his oncologist said he thought it could be side effects from his radiation, possibly soft tissue, bone or even nerve trauma. If his pain got worse we would try the pain patch next. I am calling this am as I know he is trying to be strong but I have to get him relief. The oral meds are not working. Over three years he has never complained, so fortunate he has really only had to manage fatigue and moderate pain. He is the patient who keeps everyone smiling at chemo and radiation with his great sense of humor and gentle personality. I am concerned but trying to keep my professional mind functioning. As a nurse, wife, mother, caregiver, I strive to allow his independence but know he needs more attention today. We were told that the brain lesions , 2 of them, were too small to treat. He is trying myo facial therapy this afternoon. I will also call his oncologist and palliative nurse. He definitely needs more pain relief before anymore diagnostic exams.
Reply # - March 26, 2013, 08:58 AM
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How awful for your husband, and for you. I hope he can get some relief soon.
Reply # - March 26, 2013, 10:24 AM
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I'm so very sorry to read about all the pain that your husband is in - - and have my fingers crossed that someone will figure out a way to bring him some much needed relief VERY SOON.
I have him (and you) in my thoughts. . .
Laya
Reply # - March 26, 2013, 09:28 PM
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I'm truly sorry that I can't offer good insights to your questions, really not knowing what's happening, and these questions get into the range of providing medical advice to individuals here, which is something we're not legally able to do.
I hope he's feeling better soon. We'll be thinking of (both of) you. And I hope when you get more answers, and ideally some relief, you'll let us know.
-Dr. West
Reply # - March 28, 2013, 08:38 AM
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Last night my husband started a long acting pain med and then he has immediate release for breakthrough pain. His headache pain level has decreased to a 3 instead of a 10. We are relieved. Next week he is due for f/u chest, neck CT scans. He hasn't had to take such strong meds since his original diagnosis three years ago so increasing pain meds was hard for him to accept. We have been so blessed as he has only had to cope with fatigue and minimal pain as a side effect during chemo and or radiation treatments. I have read that sometimes it is important to accept some level of pain, not always total pain relief. If the headaches persist more testing on his brain will be pursued. We are so grateful for everyone's suggestions and empathy. Our fifteen year old daughter said ," Mom , dad is so lucky you are a nurse and his advocate, what do people do that don't have that option?" I told her hopefully like me they have found websites like Cancergrace.org and Inspire.com. These websites are so helpful and again Mahalo for your professional thoughts and individual experiences. Everyone contributes to make the cancer journey more tolerable. Three years ago my husband was told he might only see 8 months and we have had three good years with minimal complications. For that we are grateful but still pushing ahead for more and living life daily.
Reply # - March 28, 2013, 07:26 PM
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I'm so glad you do have things to be thankful for. I'm also glad GRACE can rank among the resources you've found helpful.
Please keep us posted.
-Dr. West
Reply # - March 28, 2013, 11:27 PM
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Maui George. . .I'm so glad things are getting under control. Debilitating headaches really are one of the worse pains I've personally ever felt. And, I cannot imagine someone having to deal with them day after day after day with no relief. I'm so glad that medication is helping your husband.
All my best,
Laya
Reply # - April 14, 2013, 10:27 AM
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Many new changes and discoveries since I posted two weeks ago. We eventually switched from OxyContin to MSContin as George seems to do better with this med which we had only needed 3 years ago. Headaches are better but consistent.
He has had MRI, CT chest, head neck, total body bone scan.
CT chest : medial left lower lobe mass 6.1 by 5 cm. an increase in 1 cm.
The first MRI done in March showed a 2 mm lesion in the mid pons
MRI April 11 now shows 6mm lesion in clivus bone and sphenoid sinusitis
Total body bone scan: Will get results tomorrow
Our oncologist planned to start taxotere this coming week but since we saw the radiology oncologist on Friday with new MRI results we most likely have to do radiation therapy to the clivus lesion promptly. Thankful that our drs had continued to test and diagnose as they were concerned with the sx of headaches, dizziness and nausea. Antibiotic has been started since sinusitis can also cause excruciating pain. So as we prayed not to have diagnosis of leptomeningeal carcinoma , now we have rare clivus tumor. He is also starting steroids again.
We know how serious this tumor is, location, risky treatment. Any experience or suggestions as to where we go from here. Success with radiation? Will his treatment of radiation create more problems? We believe the lung tumor treatment will be postponed as the clivus tumor will be the priority. Hoping to give George more time but fearful of destroying quality of life.....We pray and are so appreciative of any advice or suggestions with experience with his current clivus tumor.
mahalo,
Connie
Reply # - April 14, 2013, 01:20 PM
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Hi Connie, I'm so so sorry about the lousy clivus tumor. I'll ask our radiation oncologist to respond to your questions, though it may be tomorrow before we hear back.
I'll try to make sure Dr. West comments today.
With high hopes of improvement. I'm glad you're looking at a balance with quality weighing high on priorities.
Janine
Reply # - April 14, 2013, 03:44 PM
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Connie,
I'm afraid this is rare enough that I can't offer any insights here. We're happy to provide information on general issues, but there are some things that are just unique or nearly so, and for these issues, you'll need to rely on the medical team directly involved.
Good luck, and I'm sorry it's not possible for us to provide insight here.
-Dr. West
Reply # - April 17, 2013, 07:51 PM
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I received a message from Dr. Loiselle our faculty radiation oncologist. He is away from his computer. He said, "... I am away through Thursday and posting from my phone is a challenge." He agrees with Dr. West ".. This is a unique situation for which guidance without specifics..i.e. Looking at the scans and seeing the patient... is difficult."
Please keep us posted and good luck,
Janine
Reply # - May 22, 2013, 10:37 AM
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My husband has completed radiation, 22 tx to the clivus bone. The headaches are almost gone. But within the last few days he has developed right foot, toe, leg and hip pain. The pain is so intense he can only walk 20 ft with a cane and then must sit down. So now pain meds increased, bone scan and MRI today. We also are to begin Taxotere chemotherapy for his increasing in size lung tumor. Encouraged to see relief from the headaches, frustrated that he may most likely have to start radiation again short term for the right leg area and he is anxious to start chemo. All other organs so far are cancer free. Pain and fatigue have always been our only obstacles. I know if oral meds stop working we may soon have to try transdermal patch or even intravenous meds. But if we get pain in control and can resume chemo / radiation there is always hope. I am wondering if anyone has any information on immunotherapy for stage 4 NSCLC adenocarcinoma with bone mets. George has had such an incredible 3 years with good results and for that we are so blessed. We are at a critical point in his disease. Hoping I am helping him make good decisions with his tx. Any thoughts on immunotherapy ?
Thank you
Connie
Reply # - May 22, 2013, 10:52 AM
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NSCLC was stage 4, grade 2, +ck7,+TTF-1, -ck20, -cdx2, kras + G12D in codon 12, EGFR - these are the original results from George's biopsy.
Reply # - May 22, 2013, 11:16 AM
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Think wild card, alk - but I need to review our path reports again, its been three years since the biopsy was done March 2010.
Reply # - May 22, 2013, 03:46 PM
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If you do a search on the site for "immunotherapy" or "PD1", you'll find plenty of discussions from the last year or so that describe developments in terms of immune-based treatments for lung cancer that are looking promising. These are all in investigational trials -- not yet commercially available -- but anti-PD1 (programmed death 1) and anti-PD-L1 (programmed death ligand 1) therapies have shown real activity, often with minimal activity, in some patients with advanced NSCLC. Some other immune-based therapies are also being evaluated in clinical trials in lung cancer.
Good luck.
-Dr. West