Is maintenance chemo the next logical step? - 1255988

oldbrit
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In April 2012 I was diagnosed with adenocarcinoma NSCLC. Biopsies of the lymph nodes did not reveal anything and so I had a resection of the upper and middle right lobes in May 2012. Biopsies during surgery revealed activity in the lymph nodes and so I was staged at IIIA. Mutation tests did not show anything specific. In June 2012 I had the standard treatment of Cisplatin/Alimta followed by 6 weeks of radiation. Before radiation a PET scan showed nothing unusual.

In Feb 2013 my PET scan showed a paratracheal lymph node with a SUV of 4 and several other nearby nodes that were suspicous. A needle biopsy proved positive for adenocarcinoma cells. I have recently completed concurrent radiation treatment with Cisplatin/Etoposide and am now in the period awaiting further tests.

Given how quickly my cancer returned should I consider maintenance chemo at this point and if so what regiment should I consider given that I am not EGFR positive?

I'm quite prepared to wait for further test results if that is the correct course of action but I would feel very foolish if I missed the boat on this one. As its stands today I will need another month to recover my strength etc.

I really appreciate you taking the time to read my post and would like to thank you in advance for any suggestions you might have.

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catdander
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Hello oldbrit, Welcome to Grace. I'm very sorry your cancer has recurred. I believe you will find Grace a excellent source for learning and compassion.

I'm with you and think a break is very possibly very much in order. It's not common to use more than 4 to 6 cycles (one line of treatment) of a platinum doublet. People tend to become hypersensitive to more than 4 or 6 cycles of a platinum. Add concurrent radiation twice and you've had an aggressive go at it. When the goal is cure then these types of risks can be worth while though if the cancer is to recur now it's unfortunately not going to be thought of as curable moving forward. A balance of treatment and quality of life becomes very important piece to treatment options.

While Dr. Weiss is speaking about squamous not adeno (very similar in many respects) the statements about watching and waiting apply to you because of the aggressive nature of both your treatments, "The standard of care for squamous cell carcinoma is to indeed watch and wait after 4-6 cycles. Watching and waiting does not mean doing nothing. For this to be a viable plan, there indeed needs to be regular imaging. But with this monitoring, this is the most commonly pursued treatment strategy and a very standard one." from, http://cancergrace.org/lung/topic/chemo-done-suggestions-please/

I responded to a post just this morning very similar to this so I want to send you there for links and finding resources on Grace. http://cancergrace.org/topic/maintenance-chemo

Again welcome and don't hesitate to ask for more info,
Janine
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oldbrit
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Thanks for replying so quickly Janine,
Now I understand why I feel so lousy!
The first go round was not actually concurrent but I guess that's a detail at this point.

When I spoke with my Onc about the next steps the topic of maintenance chemo came up and she mentioned Alimta but of course not immediately. Given how rapidly this cancer developed in my lymph nodes it seems to me that the Alimta/Cisplatin combination did not seem to work for me. Should this be the case then what would be an alternative maintenance chemo? Of course I'm always hopeful that I won't need it.

Thanks once again.

Dr West
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The best answer is that we don't know, but I'd also say that I would term further therapy as "consolidation therapy" and not maintenance therapy. Maintenance therapy is a treatment approach that is essentially indefinite in a setting where you know you're not going to kill the last cancer cell, with the goal of suppressing the cancer for as long as possible. Consolidation therapy is still a limited duration of treatment being given in a curative setting, with a goal of improving the chances of killing some potential last cancer cell.

If we were treating someone for unresectable locally advanced NSCLC for the first time, the established approach is chemo with concurrent radiation, and the only duration of chemo that has an established benefit is 2 cycles of cisplatin/etoposide or about 7 weeks of weekly low dose carboplatin/Taxol (paclitaxel). That said, we often do give more, most commonly another couple of cycles (6-8 weeks or so), but that's based on a bias that more treatment should be better. There's no evidence that treating with more chemo improves outcomes, though, even if it's a reasonable idea.

I will also say that the treatment of surgery followed by chemo and then radiation for incidentally discovered stage IIIA N2 node-positive disease at surgery is very appropriate. Concurrent chemo/radiation could be done, but many and probably most experts favor a sequential approach, given how hard it is to get through all of these modalities of treatment.

You'll note that what I'm not giving is an answer, because I can't. That would imply that there actually is a real best answer, when it truly should be a matter of individualized judgment based on how you're doing, and the acceptability about potentially over-treating vs. under-treating when there isn't true evidence to guide a decision.

Good luck.

-Dr. West

oldbrit
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Thanks for taking the time to respond Dr West. You seem to have a level of optimism that I haven't felt in quite some time. That's really quite encouraging. I understand that you can't give a specific answer, and that's fine. I guess my plan will now be to monitor the situation by means of a CT scan in about a month and probabably a brain MRI. If all proves positive I'll wait a further 3 months before resuming a schedule of PET scans. Your answer has given me the comfort that I'm not missing an action that I should be taking; which is really what I was looking for. I've learnt that you need to be your own advocate in this business.

Thanks for the solidarity 'certain spring'. I'm not really that old myself but, like you, I'm also feeling it right at the moment.