sch1979
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Hi. My father was diagnosed with stage iv lung cancer two weeks ago. It has spread to his bones and adrenal gland. Today we found out that he does not have any targetable mutations. Can anyone advise as to what treatment he is likely to receive and the prognosis? We are getting a second opinion at Sloan Kettering tomorrow, but are anxious to know what this all means. We were told that it hopefully would have a targetable mutation, so we are devastated.
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Reply # - April 30, 2018, 02:56 PM
It's good you are going for
It's good you are going for expert advise at Sloan Kettering. Most lung cancer patients, unfortunately, do not have a targetable mutation but there have been advances with immunotherapy.
The FDA recently granted priority review of pembrolizumab (Keytruda) for use in combination with pemetrexed and platinum chemotherapy for the treatment of patients with newly diagnosed metastatic nonsquamous NSCLC. If you have adenocarcinoma then this would be worth discussing tomorrow.
The prognosis with this triplet combination depends to some extent on expression of PD-L1 but it works for all expression levels.
"Placebo combination" in this quote means that the patient received the same two chemotherapy drugs but a placebo was substituted for Keytruda to make this double blind.
http://www.primeoncology.org/primelines/pembrolizumab-chemotherapy-comb…
Reply # - April 30, 2018, 03:03 PM
Hi sch1979. I am so sorry to
Hi sch1979. I am so sorry to hear about your father's diagnosis. My wife was diagnosed 3 years ago with stage IV NSCLC, with bone metastases, but I still remember vividly those first days/weeks, and all the emotions they contained - my frantic desire to find out everything at once and do something immediately. I also remember when the main targetable mutations came back negative.
I also know how helpful this site has been for me. I am sure the moderators will answer your question, but I just wanted to give you a few thoughts from our story, and to let you know you aren't alone.
My wife has HER2 exon 20 insertion (I assume from the title of your post that your father as an EGFR Exon 20 insertion?). For HER2 there are some drugs (like afatanib) with some effect, but our oncologists said it doesn't work well. But, I guess my story is that my wife has been treated with 2 conventional chemotherapies, and 1 clinical trial, which all have worked well for a time. She was on carboplatin/alimta for several rounds, then later on a clinical trial that worked for about 1.5 years, followed by another conventional chemotherapy that has been working for about 6 months. So I just want to let you know that sometimes conventional therapies also do great! But we have come to realize that in many respects what they told us at first seems to be true. Each patient/cancer pair is kind of unique and requires its own set of treatment determinations. I am sure the people at Sloan Kettering will help you think about the best current standard treatments in your father's case.
I also want to let you know that if it is an Exon 20 mutation, there is a new clinical trial you may want to discuss with the oncologists. It is testing a new drug designed specifically for Exon 20 mutations (for both EGFR and HER2), and you can find it here: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02716116.
I'll be thinking of you & your father, and may your meeting at Sloan Kettering go well!
Regards, scohn
Reply # - April 30, 2018, 03:16 PM
Thank you so much for your
Thank you so much for your responses. This has been quite a journey already.
Yes, it is an EGFR mutation. I cannot tell from the test results if there is a PD-L1 expression. I don't see that stated anywhere on this piece of paper (so much medical jargon to learn). I've heard from several folks that everyone responds differently and while that is reassuring (given the "statistics"), it also leaves us without certainty. But I guess that is the new normal now. We have to take it one day at a time, I suppose.
The test results show it is p.ser768_Asp770dup mutation. I'm not sure what that means, but just in case it means something to you, I am adding it here. It also says it is mutation negative for AKT1, ALK, BRAF, DDR2, EPHA2, ERBB@, FGFR1, FGFR2, FGFR3. KRAS, MAP2K1, MET, NRAS, PIK3CA, RET, ROS1, TP53.
Again, thank you for the responses. SCohn, has your wife returned to work? When treatments "work," does that mean that the patient feels good, or should we expect a bad quality of life for as long as he makes it?
Reply # - April 30, 2018, 04:19 PM
Hi sch1979.
Hi sch1979.
Again, each person is different, but my wife has done well overall - the tumor is now stable, and her energy and mood are really good. She is actually retired now, and I will be retired in a little over a year! We have made a number of trips since her diagnosis, and, as before the diagnosis, she seems to perpetually have more energy than me! She currently volunteers twice a week to teach English for adult ESL students.
You can search in GRACE for descriptions of our journey so far, but basically the types of side effects have varied dramatically between each kind of treatment. In our case my wife has had very little effect from the cancer itself, and has spent much more time managing the medication side effects. If you are ever interested I can tell you more about her side-effect management than you would ever want to know.
But, to your general question, we have been blessed that the treatments have kept the cancer at bay, and has allowed my wife a very good quality of life! We have traveled to Israel, Canada, California, and the Galapagos, and even organized my daughter's wedding since her treatments started. My guess is that the clinical trial drug she was on had almost as few side effects as any of the targeted drugs would have had. For a time she even returned to her volunteering as an AYSO soccer ref. And her current treatment (Gemzar) seems to be effective (keeping tumors small and stable - down but not out) with relatively few side effects (once she had a port put in - Gemzar treatment can be pretty caustic going in). So, each day a quick donning of a scarf, hat, cap, or beret for the previous hair loss and off she goes!
And I know what you mean by lack of certainty. We have tried to learn to take each treatment, and each CT scan one at a time, since we never know how long these treatments will last. But, as onthemark said, there are lots of treatment regimens being tested and developed.
Best wishes again for a productive SK consult.
Reply # - April 30, 2018, 04:36 PM
Hi sch1979,
Hi sch1979,
Welcome to Grace. I'm so sorry to hear about your dad's diagnosis. The jargon will become common place in time. Onthemark and Scohn have given you some good ideas on what you may expect from your appointment at SK. The PD-L1 test may not have been given. Testing is still somewhat non standard since the playing field of targetable agents being tested is expanding and contracting so quickly. You'll want to get input at SK about immunotherapy combos and promising trial options for insertion exon 20.
I look forward to hearing about your dad's appointment and I'm sure he'll be closer to making treatment decisions soon.
All best,
Janine
Reply # - April 30, 2018, 05:11 PM
Following up on everyone's
Following up on everyone's comments, I'd also ask about poziotinib for exon 20 NSCLC.
"A drug that failed to effectively strike larger targets in lung cancer hits a bulls-eye on the smaller target presented by a previously untreatable form of the disease."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180423125207.htm
Reply # - May 3, 2018, 08:45 PM
We found out today that the
We found out today that the pd-l1 was 60% which apparently is rare for an exon 29 insertion, but it means immunotherapy is an option. The treatment plan right now is keytruda, carboplatin, pemetrexed. Has anyone had this combination?
Reply # - May 4, 2018, 05:29 AM
You can see my response in
You can see my response in your other thread at http://cancergrace.org/topic/keytruda-carboplatin-pemetrexed-combo#post…
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