Carbo/ pem and brain mets - 1264302

stacrober2
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Is there a study that shows that car option and pemetrexe shrink brain mets? My friend who has stage 4 NSCLC (ALK pos) and had pneumonitis from the Xalkori is debating this combo but her main concern was that she felt the Xalkori or Zykadia would be better for her brain mets otherwise she may need whole brain radiation and she really does not want to do that.

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JimC
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Hi stacrober2,

Actually, as Dr. West has stated: "[Xalkori] probably doesn't get into the central nervous system to any meaningful degree..." - http://cancergrace.org/topic/crizotinib-after-wbr-in-treating-brain-met…

As far as the question of chemo drugs penetrating the blood brain barrier, Dr. West has said:

“It’s not very well studied, but the idea that chemotherapy can’t get into the brain because of the blood-brain barrier is oversimplified. There’s actually evidence that the response rate of metastases in the brain is in the same ballpark as that of measured disease outside of the brain:

http://cancergrace.org/lung/2007/10/24/chemo-for-brain-mets/

There have been some vague hints that Alimta (pemetrexed) and Camptosar (irinotecan) may be particularly effective for brain metastases, but frankly I’d say that the amount and quality of that evidence isn’t enough for me to be at all inclined to make clinical decisions on the basis of that work. There’s really no meaningful work to suggest that one lung cancer treatment is significantly more effective against brain metastases compared with others.” – http://cancergrace.org/forums/index.php?topic=11255.msg92631#msg92631

Many patients have a fear of whole brain radiation, due mostly to anecdotal evidence of WBR causing cognitive deficits. These reports have been spread across the internet, but tend to be greatly overstated: http://cancergrace.org/radiation/2010/09/13/radiation-faq-what-side-eff… It remains the treatment of choice for multiple brain mets. For a small number (~3 or fewer), targeted radiation such as gamma knife is appropriate.

JimC
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stacrober2
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Thank you very much Jim. Our oncologist had gotten an email from Dr. Shaw which seemed to indicate that there was some response to brain mets from the carbo/ pem combo. But I could find nothing to back it in any of the studies.. I was wondering if I was missing something. I also have watched and read all the evidence about the Xalkori also but my friends brain mets did shrink from the 2 weeks worth she did take so she feels it will help again.

Dr West
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My (admittedly limited) sense of the responses of brain metastases to chemotherapy or a second generation ALK inhibitor is that these are transient, temporizing, and incomplete compared with the more durable benefits typically seen with radiation. I understand the aversion to brain radiation, but it beats growing brain metastases...

-Dr. West