There's really no science there. Probably someone just trying to make some money off the disparition of others. I'm not sure the technical term you'd call his ideas past "ideas", maybe hypotheses? Cannabis use of any kind is illegal in Alabama where we live so I can't say whether or not cannabis is useful for my husband's symptoms. Dr. West has spoken of his experience of patient stories is those who haven't experienced cannabis before often have a negative psychological reaction. Dr. Weiss has spoken of a patient who held a prescription for cannabis who made lemon squares that helped her symptoms. But there's not been any science or clinical studies that suggests it's a cure all for cancer. There's no suggestion in science on the horizon that suggest there will be a cancer cure all. What does seem to be the future of cancer treatment is that cancer might someday be divided into types of mutations rather than the organ in which they came then treated by mutation.
I hope you've gotten the understanding that our faculty (more that just the tip of the iceberg of the best oncologists today) want nothing more than to make their jobs obsolete. Drs West and Weiss even pondered their next occupations should that happen. Personally I've learned to put all my conspiracy theories away when it comes to who cares most and who is most outspoken on matters of oncology ethics. There's even a forum for it. http://cancergrace.org/forum/cancer-basics/oncology-economics-industry-…
The issue of what gets studied is too often focused on what can make the most money. Since the government doesn't spend much money on cancer research, especially lung cancer it's up the drug developers who are in the business. Businesses are for making money even though they are full of people passionate about what they do; they're still big businesses and they have to make money.
Sorry ran out of room. The series of posts are on how treatments are vetted before they're assumed to have a good chance of helping.
I don't mean to turn your thread into something it's not. I just have real feelings on the subject and have learned so much from this site and I don't want you to think you're not getting the best treatment.
So glad you've taken on your own education to make sure you're getting what you need. It's why we're here.
All the very best,
Janine
Wow Jim, I must apologize for not checking out your link before responding. It seems to have all the info on cannabis and cancer both clinical and preclinical studies; including antitumor effects.
As Jim suggested, cannabis can potentially help with appetite and chronic pain, as I've seen in some of my patients, but I would put absolutely no faith in the idea that it cures cancer. The ideas espoused in the link are ... "fanciful", I'll say as diplomatically as I can, and without any remote hint of real clinical evidence. I would consider the concept to be very, very far from any established reality.
maybe that website i copied is a bit like someone trying to make money out of it all, but there is alot of scientific stuff out there where they say it has inhibited the growth of cancer in rats, mice? In the link Jim sent it mentions that a tumour's growth was inhibited by 60%
from British Journal of Pharmacology (reputable) they say "In the last two decades, research has dramatically increased the knowledge of cannabinoids biology and pharmacology. In mammals, compounds with properties similar to active components of Cannabis sativa, the so called ‘endocannabinoids', have been shown to modulate key cell-signalling pathways involved in cancer cell growth, invasion and metastasis. To date, cannabinoids have been licensed for clinical use as palliative treatment of chemotherapy, but increased evidences showed direct antiproliferative actions of cannabinoid agonists on several tumour cells in vitro and in animal models."
And there is loads of this sort of thing..............
and not really looking for a cure at this stage, just something to slow down growth........I'm realistic really - don't expect cures, just a bit longer, you know
What happens in rats and mice will not necessarily have the same result in humans. This is why human clinical trials are done and many don't make it to approval. Looked good in the lab, but didn't work in the human body. Are you trying to avoid conventional treatment? Take care, Judy
As Judy noted, there's an enormous gulf between lab-based work and actual findings that improve outcomes in human patients. There are probably around 1000 things reported to slow or shrink cancer in test tubes or animal models for every treatment that actually helps human patients with cancer.
I'm not saying it's impossible that cannibis is significantly beneficial in fighting cancer. I'm just saying that the evidence offered is so weak that it would need to be far stronger to graduate to becoming "speculative". I don't consider the kind of evidence available on this hypothesis to be in the same ballpark, and probably not in the same atmosphere, as clinically meaningful, credible evidence of a significant beneficial effect in human cancer patients.
Ok, thanks for your responses..........I am 'doing' conventional treatment at moment, but doctors have said.....if this doesn't work, that's it........like they've run out of ideas, so I'm looking for alternatives..........just looking for something that might work. Thanks, Ann
In looking through your previous posts (including your other thread), it appears that you had surgery followed by a chemo regimen you didn't identify, then 6 weeks of Iressa and now carbo/alimta. I don't know how the UK health care system plays into this, but it doesn't seem that you would have run out of conventional treatment options. There are other established chemo agents which could be tried, as well as the possibility of a clinical trial. If at some point you progress on the current therapy (hopefully not!), and your doctors are still saying they have no ideas, is a second opinion possible?
Ann, We had a member, certain spring who wrote quite a bit on Grace. She was from the UK and worked through the NHS med system. Being a gifted journalist and writer she wrote about her experiences with the NHS. Following is a Grace search result, you may need to sift through but certain spring was never irrelevant. http://cancergrace.org/search-results?q=certain%20spring%20UK%20NHS Again from certain spring's experience I understand it's possible to access 2nd opinions and even move to another doctor. The following blog post written by an american oncologist is relevant in many healthcare systems. https://cancergrace.org/post/insider%E2%80%99s-guide-second-opinion You may want to add a signature that will show up on the bottom of your posts so our doctors have a context with which to attach your questions. We plan to have you around for a while ;) Click your avatar, "edit forum signature" top left and submit if you wish. Janine
Thanks guys, I plan to be around for a while!! Very interested in someone else's experiences with NHS, so must read that. Busy day, so will get back after I read those, and will try to add a signature. Thanks again. Ann
This is so great am alive to testify the good work of hemp oil and its miracle healing.
In April 10th 2012 i was diagnosed of breast cancer and bone cancer when the doctor told me it was already too late for me, that i have only ten months on earth to live. I shared tears and all hope was gone thinking that i will just sleep and go just like that.
My mom came to visit me in Serbia two months later and bought me some hemp oil product saying that it works well on cancer, ever since she told me about the benefits and encourage me to use the medication. I have been on treatment for the past 4 months now which was the required treatment plan for me.
Last week, I went to hospital to do my test and to God be the glory my cancer was not found there anymore. I have been cured with Rick Simpson hemp oil which my mother had bought for me.
My family in forever grateful to Rick Simpson Cannabis Oil.
It's all very sciency and most of it just went over my head. What I got is that Cannabidiol might help prevent metastases. They don't say anything about actively killing cancer. Also, I've read that not all hemp oil contains Cannabidiol, it needs to be extracted from certain strains of hemp which contains CBD.
The research described in that link was lab-based and tested in mice, but not humans with lung cancer. As Dr. West stated previously in this thread:
"[T]here’s an enormous gulf between lab-based work and actual findings that improve outcomes in human patients. There are probably around 1000 things reported to slow or shrink cancer in test tubes or animal models for every treatment that actually helps human patients with cancer."
Although it's possible that this may play a role some day in cancer treatment, there just isn't any current evidence that it will.
I have deleted the link you included in your post, as that link was to a commercial site seeking to sell CBD oil. As did the other sites quoted earlier in this thread, it cites lab-based and mouse-based research, but does not claim that CBD oil cures any type of cancer. There remains no evidence that it can cure cancer in humans.
Reply # - February 4, 2014, 10:35 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Cannabis has been studied for its effect on minimizing symptoms of cancer and chemotherapy. You can read about that on the National Cancer Institute's page: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/…
JimC
Forum moderator
Reply # - February 4, 2014, 12:11 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
no, not that way.
Reply # - February 4, 2014, 02:27 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
There's really no science there. Probably someone just trying to make some money off the disparition of others. I'm not sure the technical term you'd call his ideas past "ideas", maybe hypotheses? Cannabis use of any kind is illegal in Alabama where we live so I can't say whether or not cannabis is useful for my husband's symptoms. Dr. West has spoken of his experience of patient stories is those who haven't experienced cannabis before often have a negative psychological reaction. Dr. Weiss has spoken of a patient who held a prescription for cannabis who made lemon squares that helped her symptoms. But there's not been any science or clinical studies that suggests it's a cure all for cancer. There's no suggestion in science on the horizon that suggest there will be a cancer cure all. What does seem to be the future of cancer treatment is that cancer might someday be divided into types of mutations rather than the organ in which they came then treated by mutation.
I hope you've gotten the understanding that our faculty (more that just the tip of the iceberg of the best oncologists today) want nothing more than to make their jobs obsolete. Drs West and Weiss even pondered their next occupations should that happen. Personally I've learned to put all my conspiracy theories away when it comes to who cares most and who is most outspoken on matters of oncology ethics. There's even a forum for it. http://cancergrace.org/forum/cancer-basics/oncology-economics-industry-…
The issue of what gets studied is too often focused on what can make the most money. Since the government doesn't spend much money on cancer research, especially lung cancer it's up the drug developers who are in the business. Businesses are for making money even though they are full of people passionate about what they do; they're still big businesses and they have to make money.
This is part one of 4, http://cancergrace.org/cancer-101/2013/01/06/clin-trials-ramalingam-pt-…
Janine
Reply # - February 4, 2014, 02:39 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Sorry ran out of room. The series of posts are on how treatments are vetted before they're assumed to have a good chance of helping.
I don't mean to turn your thread into something it's not. I just have real feelings on the subject and have learned so much from this site and I don't want you to think you're not getting the best treatment.
So glad you've taken on your own education to make sure you're getting what you need. It's why we're here.
All the very best,
Janine
Reply # - February 4, 2014, 03:22 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Wow Jim, I must apologize for not checking out your link before responding. It seems to have all the info on cannabis and cancer both clinical and preclinical studies; including antitumor effects.
hotdog, take a closer look.
Reply # - February 4, 2014, 08:29 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
As Jim suggested, cannabis can potentially help with appetite and chronic pain, as I've seen in some of my patients, but I would put absolutely no faith in the idea that it cures cancer. The ideas espoused in the link are ... "fanciful", I'll say as diplomatically as I can, and without any remote hint of real clinical evidence. I would consider the concept to be very, very far from any established reality.
-Dr. West
Reply # - February 6, 2014, 04:17 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Thanks all - esp. Jim - some interesting stuff on that page............
Reply # - February 6, 2014, 04:31 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
maybe that website i copied is a bit like someone trying to make money out of it all, but there is alot of scientific stuff out there where they say it has inhibited the growth of cancer in rats, mice? In the link Jim sent it mentions that a tumour's growth was inhibited by 60%
from British Journal of Pharmacology (reputable) they say "In the last two decades, research has dramatically increased the knowledge of cannabinoids biology and pharmacology. In mammals, compounds with properties similar to active components of Cannabis sativa, the so called ‘endocannabinoids', have been shown to modulate key cell-signalling pathways involved in cancer cell growth, invasion and metastasis. To date, cannabinoids have been licensed for clinical use as palliative treatment of chemotherapy, but increased evidences showed direct antiproliferative actions of cannabinoid agonists on several tumour cells in vitro and in animal models."
And there is loads of this sort of thing..............
Reply # - February 6, 2014, 05:45 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
and not really looking for a cure at this stage, just something to slow down growth........I'm realistic really - don't expect cures, just a bit longer, you know
Reply # - February 6, 2014, 06:36 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/…
Reply # - February 6, 2014, 01:58 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
What happens in rats and mice will not necessarily have the same result in humans. This is why human clinical trials are done and many don't make it to approval. Looked good in the lab, but didn't work in the human body. Are you trying to avoid conventional treatment? Take care, Judy
Reply # - February 6, 2014, 09:40 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
As Judy noted, there's an enormous gulf between lab-based work and actual findings that improve outcomes in human patients. There are probably around 1000 things reported to slow or shrink cancer in test tubes or animal models for every treatment that actually helps human patients with cancer.
I'm not saying it's impossible that cannibis is significantly beneficial in fighting cancer. I'm just saying that the evidence offered is so weak that it would need to be far stronger to graduate to becoming "speculative". I don't consider the kind of evidence available on this hypothesis to be in the same ballpark, and probably not in the same atmosphere, as clinically meaningful, credible evidence of a significant beneficial effect in human cancer patients.
-Dr. West
Reply # - February 7, 2014, 02:10 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Ok, thanks for your responses..........I am 'doing' conventional treatment at moment, but doctors have said.....if this doesn't work, that's it........like they've run out of ideas, so I'm looking for alternatives..........just looking for something that might work. Thanks, Ann
Reply # - February 7, 2014, 05:30 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Ann,
In looking through your previous posts (including your other thread), it appears that you had surgery followed by a chemo regimen you didn't identify, then 6 weeks of Iressa and now carbo/alimta. I don't know how the UK health care system plays into this, but it doesn't seem that you would have run out of conventional treatment options. There are other established chemo agents which could be tried, as well as the possibility of a clinical trial. If at some point you progress on the current therapy (hopefully not!), and your doctors are still saying they have no ideas, is a second opinion possible?
JimC
Forum moderator
Reply # - February 7, 2014, 10:17 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Ann, We had a member, certain spring who wrote quite a bit on Grace. She was from the UK and worked through the NHS med system. Being a gifted journalist and writer she wrote about her experiences with the NHS. Following is a Grace search result, you may need to sift through but certain spring was never irrelevant. http://cancergrace.org/search-results?q=certain%20spring%20UK%20NHS Again from certain spring's experience I understand it's possible to access 2nd opinions and even move to another doctor. The following blog post written by an american oncologist is relevant in many healthcare systems. https://cancergrace.org/post/insider%E2%80%99s-guide-second-opinion You may want to add a signature that will show up on the bottom of your posts so our doctors have a context with which to attach your questions. We plan to have you around for a while ;) Click your avatar, "edit forum signature" top left and submit if you wish. Janine
Reply # - February 7, 2014, 10:22 AM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
Thanks guys, I plan to be around for a while!! Very interested in someone else's experiences with NHS, so must read that. Busy day, so will get back after I read those, and will try to add a signature. Thanks again. Ann
Reply # - June 18, 2014, 03:25 PM
Reply To: cannabis oil?? anyone know anything?
This is so great am alive to testify the good work of hemp oil and its miracle healing.
In April 10th 2012 i was diagnosed of breast cancer and bone cancer when the doctor told me it was already too late for me, that i have only ten months on earth to live. I shared tears and all hope was gone thinking that i will just sleep and go just like that.
My mom came to visit me in Serbia two months later and bought me some hemp oil product saying that it works well on cancer, ever since she told me about the benefits and encourage me to use the medication. I have been on treatment for the past 4 months now which was the required treatment plan for me.
Last week, I went to hospital to do my test and to God be the glory my cancer was not found there anymore. I have been cured with Rick Simpson hemp oil which my mother had bought for me.
My family in forever grateful to Rick Simpson Cannabis Oil.
Reply # - September 15, 2014, 10:23 AM
I found this scientific study
I found this scientific study:
"Cannabidiol inhibits lung cancer cell invasion and metastasis via intercellular adhesion molecule-1"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198381
It's all very sciency and most of it just went over my head. What I got is that Cannabidiol might help prevent metastases. They don't say anything about actively killing cancer. Also, I've read that not all hemp oil contains Cannabidiol, it needs to be extracted from certain strains of hemp which contains CBD.
Reply # - September 15, 2014, 11:40 AM
Hi andrius,
Hi andrius,
The research described in that link was lab-based and tested in mice, but not humans with lung cancer. As Dr. West stated previously in this thread:
"[T]here’s an enormous gulf between lab-based work and actual findings that improve outcomes in human patients. There are probably around 1000 things reported to slow or shrink cancer in test tubes or animal models for every treatment that actually helps human patients with cancer."
Although it's possible that this may play a role some day in cancer treatment, there just isn't any current evidence that it will.
JimC
Forum moderator
Reply # - May 20, 2019, 09:16 PM
CBD oil
I recently ran into an article, it says CBD oil can cure skin cancer? Anybody here who has experience with CBD oil? I wanna try it though.
Reply # - May 21, 2019, 01:06 AM
CBD oil
GRACE Community Outreach Team
Hi michaeldan,
I have deleted the link you included in your post, as that link was to a commercial site seeking to sell CBD oil. As did the other sites quoted earlier in this thread, it cites lab-based and mouse-based research, but does not claim that CBD oil cures any type of cancer. There remains no evidence that it can cure cancer in humans.
JimC
Forum Moderator