We don't know the status of the egfr/her2 mutation.
How to treat the patients with acquired resistance to Afatinib?
1. Chemo? such as Docetaxel。
2. super her2 TKIs，such as HM781-36B
3.c-Met TKIs, such as XL184,ARQ 197 etc
4.PI3K/Akt drugs，such as Mk2206.
Reply # - October 2, 2012, 12:57 AM
Bunnycollie (and may I say I like your dog!), your very helpful and detailed account of your dad's situation is not showing up, annoyingly. I think you might need to fill in the "Forum Signature" box on the Profile page, rather than the "Biographical Information" box. It might be useful in particular for the doctors to know that your father's cancer is squamous, and that he has already had docetaxel, as you record in his bio.
Could I ask, how do you know that that this is a case of acquired resistance? Could it not just be that the afatinib isn't working?
Hope you get some insight here. Best to you and your dad.
Reply # - October 2, 2012, 03:47 AM
Thanks certain spring,you are so kind!
Afatinib is still effective.
Reply # - October 2, 2012, 05:02 AM
Hello bunnycollie, I agree your dog is beautiful.
Is your father on this trial linked to below?
I hope the lowering of afatinib has helped reduce his side effects and he is able to maintain on the drugs for a long while.
You know your trial drugs. I'm impressed and thankful that your dad is willing to move our understanding forward by testing these drugs.
I will ask a doctor to give input. You should hear back within the day.
Thank you and your dad and best hopes to you both,
Reply # - October 2, 2012, 06:06 PM
I'm afraid the truest answer is that we don't know. All of the options you mentioned are options to consider, except that he's already been on Taxotere (docetaxel), so going back to that wouldn't make much sense. Perhaps a chemo like Navelbine (vinorelbine), or perhaps a clinical trial drug that you mention, but unfortunately there is no evidence on the planet to provide a real answer to your question. These treatments are really essentially completely untested in people who have been on several prior agents. In general, we tend to not expect much benefit from further chemo in people who have already received several prior lines of standard chemotherapy, unless they have consistently responded to them.
One other option that might be attractive is a clinical trial with an immunotherapy such as anti-PD1 or ipilimumab -- these approaches have appeared to have been particularly encouraging in patients with a squamous NSCLC tumor.
Reply # - October 3, 2012, 12:28 AM
Thanks Dr West for reopening the thread. And thanks Janine for the link to the trial.
BunnyCollie, I feel I missed something important - your dad had a complete response to the afatinib/simvastatin after just six weeks? That's very impressive. And it sounds from your profile as though he didn't have the same kind of response to Tarceva - ie the afatinib worked better?
I'd also be interested to hear more about the side-effects. Reading about other people's experiences with afatinib, I had come away with the impression that these were pretty tough.
Please let us know more if you have time. And I hope that the trial combination keeps on working for your father. He's done amazingly well considering that he's already had to cope with gastric cancer. Hopefully by the time things start to go downhill, there will be more knowledge that can help him. Very best.
Reply # - October 3, 2012, 05:19 AM
Thanks Dr West.
Ipilimumab is a revolutionary drug,I am very interested.
Yes ,the afatinib has had an amazing respons .
As Dr West said, may be more due to HER2 than to EGFR.
severe diarrhea, more than three times in one day, Imodium (loperamide) works.
mild rash .
poor appetite, lost 22lbs in six weeks.
mild stomatitis, VC,VB works.
severe paronychia,got surgery.
20~40mg simvastatin PO.QD is safe.
Reply # - December 30, 2012, 05:59 PM
2012-10-6，start bibw 2992 30mg/ Simvastatin 20mg, 8 days on, 5 days off
2012-12-8，start bibw 2992 30mg/ Simvastatin 10mg, 8 days on, 5 days off
2012-12-20，CT scan，primary tumors cannot be detected, mediastinal lymph node metastasis
reduced 20%（from 2.4cm to 1.9cm），ca 125 65.
Reply # - December 30, 2012, 06:45 PM
bunnycollie, what a beautiful dog. It's so good to hear about your dad's successful CT. I know you all will be celebrating for a happy new year. Thank you so much for letting us know, it's as important that we hear the successful stories as read the statistics.
Reply # - December 30, 2012, 09:43 PM
Janine，similarly bless you!
Reply # - December 31, 2012, 01:23 PM
That's really terrific -- thanks for letting us know, and congratulations to him and your family!
And I agree he's a beautiful dog...I'm a dog lover (you might hear my dog, a keeshond, sniffing around in the background on some of the videos I do at my home).
Happy new year! I hope it's filled with more good news you can share with us.
Reply # - December 31, 2012, 09:00 PM
Dr West, Happy new year! Thanks a lot for your help.
Bunny is a Border Collie，7 months old .
Keeshond is rare in my contry.
Treatment after acquired resistance to Afatinib：
Do Navelbine twice，then go to PF-00299804（Dacomitinib)?
Reply # - July 26, 2013, 07:09 PM
7/18/2013，bibw 2992 30mg, 8 days on, 2 days off, still active.
Reply # - July 26, 2013, 08:33 PM
Great to hear, and thanks for the update!
Reply # - July 27, 2013, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the update on your father's remarkable long-term response to Afatinib single agent. I hope he continues to do well. Cheers to you both!
Reply # - November 13, 2013, 10:38 PM
Still bibw 2992 30mg.
2013-11-14，Chest CT scan，primary tumors cannot be detected, mediastinal lymph node metastasis remains stable.
My dad refuses to do a MRI or a ECT scan, because he feels good.
Many thanks to Dr.West and such a great site.
Reply # - November 13, 2013, 10:41 PM
Hurrah! So happy for you and your dad, and your beautiful pup :)
Reply # - November 13, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jazz，Nice to see you!
Here are some Bunny's pics.
Reply # - November 14, 2013, 05:40 AM
Great news, bunnycollie! Here's to more great results from bibw 2992! Nice pics, too!
Reply # - November 14, 2013, 12:00 PM
Bunny is SO adorable! Thanks for sharing your pics. What personality!
As for the acquired resistance question, the good news is that if/when Dad gets there, hopefully Clovis (CO-1686) will have the trial available in your country (where are you? it's beautiful, wherever you are) and/or AZD9291, and immunotherapy trials.
Reply # - November 14, 2013, 08:32 PM
Wonderful news. Thanks so much for the update and for the pictures!